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Is this the right stuff...

I need to change out my VC Gasket O-Ring behind the Oil cooler.
I am leaning more towards this kit: OEM Top-End Gasket Kit | Password JDM

I guess here is the OEM one:
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Re: Is this the right stuff...

If all you need is a valve cover gasket set and oil cooler o-ring or anything for your car,
first look at rockauto.com I personally use them for all oem replacement stuff I know are identical to honda oem.
I find the part number from honda then go to rockauto and find the company that makes that part buy number.
Ive replaced seals and compared them to the oem ones i pulled off my engine and they are the same.

I wouldnt buy gasket sets personally. I would source the individual seals myself.
rockauto is the flipping best, lowest prices and faster delivery then honda lol

sometimes youll have no choice but to buy from a honda oem site though.

If you do your own repairs and enjoy working on your car yourself, rockauto will be your new best friend! (: become a parts guy lol

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Re: Is this the right stuff...

No offense freak night. Rock auto is a fine place. But they sell stuff others have assured them are genuine that have been proven many times over as not the real thing. NAPA on the other hand...if they say it's oem, it's made by the original manufacturer by the original specs.

When you order from Honda, you get it from a warehouse that only has the real McCoy. It comes with 'made in japan' and a Honda decal. That means Honda stands behind it. Sure it costs more. But they are better parts n pieces. Plain and simple.

Mat, buy the vc kit.

http://www.hondapartsnow.com/Page_Pr...2584&PageName=
^^ part #1
http://www.hondapartsnow.com/Page_Pr...2578&PageName=
^^ part 6
http://www.hondapartsnow.com/Page_Pr...2588&PageName=
^^ part 32
Replace all 4 spark plug seals, the cushions to re-fasten the 8(?) bolts and ensure you use the correct torque numbers and sequence listed in the service manual. Also buy a few the oil cooler o-rings and a distributor o-rings from hondapartsnow at the same time. The savings will offset the s&h. HPN gets me parts typically in 5 days or less.

Now, go to sears and get a $15-18 beam torque wrench. If you do not have a 10mm socket get a cheap set of evolv tools...like another $20.
Go to a parts store and buy some permatex copper. Squeeze the tube. It should feel like toothpaste. Many times it's old and hardens inside the tube and you don't know until you go to use it.

The service manual will show you 4 spots to apply the permatex.
When you begin fastening, finger tight all 8. Then tighten to snug...which means one finger loosely tugging on the ratchet tries to straighten...known as a 1 finger pull. Do that in the sequence shown.
Once snug, use the beam turning each bolt a half turn in sequence until you see the number you want. It's only like 12 pounds of torque.
But with proper tension on each bolt, you'll get years of leak free seal.

You'll also use the beam for proper tension on the bolts when you replace the oil cooler o-ring and the distributor o-ring. Unfortunately they are becoming an every other year maintance item on these older cars.

Keep your extra o-rings stored still sealed in the package indoors somewhere they'll stay about the same temp year round. Keep the leftover permatex in similar conditions.
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Re: Is this the right stuff...

Yes, Honda oem parts are the best, and you should always use honda oem parts all the time.

Follow bykfixer`s advice and you'll be good to go!

To my defense all seals i`ve bought from rockauto have been exact replacement spec and says made in japan.
I buy from the manufacture that makes the part for Honda. You have to research these things first before you buy.
I would never buy a part unless its the maker Honda uses or its from Honda direct. It doesn't have Honda on the bag name, and i buy it at a lower cost because of it.

OEM>anything else though.
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Glad the hear that, one you do your homework, two you get the good stuff and three rock auto has the genuine goods this time.

But in regards to aftermarket items, always check the brands site before buying from ra, as many times they warn of who sells knock offs. Unfortunately ra comes up too often for my comfort.
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Re: Is this the right stuff...

That craftsman beam torque wrench you mentioned is a great deal!
picked one up locally and it's great, making sure the fasteners are torqued to spec is critical, and to have that peace of mind too.

Do the job right the first time, and use a torque wrench. (:

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Re: Is this the right stuff...

So I should not buy that $250 Dewalt 2xx piece tool kit and that $158 Snap-on Torque wrench?
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Re: Is this the right stuff...

Dewalt set yes.

Snap on torque wrench...later.
Buy a beam first. It's all you'll need for a while. But then get a clicker type later. Great for knowing your lug nuts are proper quicker than a beam.
I have access to torque wrench calibration devices so I can have mine done before starting a project. So I feel confident with a $75 1/2" drive craftsman clicker. The $25 3/8" drive harbor freight too.

Snap On is a goody. But for your occasional use a craftsman or one from harbor freight will suffice and they will get the torque(s) close enough.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Dewalt set yes.

Snap on torque wrench...later.
Buy a beam first.
Beam?
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Read the posts above, it was explained
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Torque wrench 101:

^^ the beam
When you put tension on this one it bends the beam. You watch the gauge and when it flexes to the reading you seek, you stop.
Typically 10-80+/- pounds on the dial. Also metric on the dial. Least expensive.


^^ the clicker
When you turn the bolt to a tension you set the ratchet head flexes and you hear a click. You twist the opposite end of the ratchet end to match a number you want to set it to and lock it with a knob. Can be inch pounds or foot pounds. You want foot pound type. Can range from 5-150 or 20-250 foot pounds. Price from $20 to $500. Also has metric on the dial.


^^ the dial
These are used for applications like tightening bolts on bridge beams or items with high tension numbers ranging in the thousands of foot pounds. Most expensive. Range from $350-15,000. Kinda works like a beam.

Now....
examples of how Honda did things:
Transmission oil filler plug bolt torque spec;
44 N-m (33 lbf-ft).
That's 33 newton meters as in metric and 33 foot pounds.

Quiz time....
You have a beam that reads in 1 Nm or 1 ft# incriments. Your valve cover tension is 12N-m or 8.7 lbf-ft.
Will you be watching the foot pound scale or the metric?
Either is correct. But it would be much easier to know you have applied proper tension between the valve cover and the cylinder head using the metric scale in that case.

The more restitant the bolt is to turning the higher the stated torque number. Torque equates to the tension applied either between 2 objects fastened by a screw (called fastener) like the valve cover to the cylinder head or direct tension of the fastener against an object such as the transmission oil fill plug to the transmission.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Re: Is this the right stuff...

Ok guys, I have been doing some research and looking around and I have finalized on BC Racing BR Type Coilovers.

My question is will the stiffness of coilovers put excessive wear on suspension/drivetrain parts?

Do I need to get camber kits or anything else?
I am going for performance and handling, my lude might see the track once in a while, but more spirited driving in bends.
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Any thing else I should get while I'm ordering from HPN?
I'm replacing my gaskets, that are probably causing my Oil leak.
I need to clean my EGR and Intake manifold (Inspection Test Next Month).
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Get a couple of distributor o-rings as well.

And for the port plugs..you need one for each hole...you only have 1 in your basket. At 30 each you probably should get a couple extra in case you drive one in crooked.

When in the parts description, next to price you can see "number required"...
Look at...say lug nuts for example.
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Get a couple of distributor o-rings as well.

And for the port plugs..you need one for each hole...you only have 1 in your basket. At 30 each you probably should get a couple extra in case you drive one in crooked.

When in the parts description, next to price you can see "number required"...
Look at...say lug nuts for example.
Thanks byk, How can I confirm that the port plugs will fit my Intake manifold? When I look up the Part # on HPN I get a message saying "We are unable to determine that this will fit your honda" or sumtang or uder. (It's highlighted in yellow)
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...a3XX2prj9zMM4w


^^ Here's a good read.
When you click on it a pdf downloads of an easy how to clean those ports. Dude says he does it with the intake still on the car using a grease covered slow moving drill bit to keep shavings from getting into the intake.
Genious! Simply genious!

That and those Honda TSB's (technical service bulletins say
Part Number 17199-PT3-AHM.
I get same warning for my 97 as you mention...
Tell ya what...call your local dealer and talk to the parts dept.
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Good to see you guys made up.

I think you missed a torque wrench type, the deflecting beam.

Similar to the basic beam type but has a pin that clicks out when the right torque setting is reached. These are another good option for mechanical work as they never need calibrating and you can both see and hear the wrench go off, so you don't need it in a position where you can see the gauge. I've seen examples of guys getting their 30 year old Warren and Brown tested and it's still calibrated perfectly. If you do get one, treat it right. If you throw it around and bang it like your other tools then it won't last.

I went cheap and bought a Kincrome micrometer 1/2" drive 10-150ft-lb, best $100 I've ever spent. I wouldn't want to do an engine rebuild with it but it's versatile enough for pretty much everything else, including wheel nuts.

It wouldn't be an emathew thread without asking about friggin' BC coilovers would it? Look at the other times I've answered this question and read that damn suspension 101 faq. No, your other suspension parts will be fine and no, you don't need any camber plates/ball joints etc.
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Thanks byk, How can I confirm that the port plugs will fit my Intake manifold? When I look up the Part # on HPN I get a message saying "We are unable to determine that this will fit your honda" or sumtang or uder. (It's highlighted in yellow)
17199-PT3-AHM

I used the same plugs for my 5th gen a few years.

Instead of using the plugs you should consider using hex screws, it will be so much easier cleaning them in the future.
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I used the same plugs for my 5th gen a few years.

Instead of using the plugs you should consider using hex screws, it will be so much easier cleaning them in the future.
Ya I'm not ready to take up that kinda of damage I'll just keep it the way honda designed my intake manifold for now. I'm sure I could do it, but I don't think I'm at that skill level yet. (This is my DD and my ONLY car so yea).

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No offense freak night. Rock auto is a fine place. But they sell stuff others have assured them are genuine that have been proven many times over as not the real thing. NAPA on the other hand...if they say it's oem, it's made by the original manufacturer by the original specs.

When you order from Honda, you get it from a warehouse that only has the real McCoy. It comes with 'made in japan' and a Honda decal. That means Honda stands behind it. Sure it costs more. But they are better parts n pieces. Plain and simple.

Mat, buy the vc kit.

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^^ part #1
1997 Honda Prelude 2 Door TYPESH KA 5MT Distributor (TEC)
^^ part 6
1997 Honda Prelude 2 Door TYPESH KA 5MT Oil Pump - Oil Strainer
^^ part 32
Replace all 4 spark plug seals, the cushions to re-fasten the 8(?) bolts and ensure you use the correct torque numbers and sequence listed in the service manual. Also buy a few the oil cooler o-rings and a distributor o-rings from hondapartsnow at the same time. The savings will offset the s&h. HPN gets me parts typically in 5 days or less.

Now, go to sears and get a $15-18 beam torque wrench. If you do not have a 10mm socket get a cheap set of evolv tools...like another $20.
Go to a parts store and buy some permatex copper. Squeeze the tube. It should feel like toothpaste. Many times it's old and hardens inside the tube and you don't know until you go to use it.

The service manual will show you 4 spots to apply the permatex.
When you begin fastening, finger tight all 8. Then tighten to snug...which means one finger loosely tugging on the ratchet tries to straighten...known as a 1 finger pull. Do that in the sequence shown.
Once snug, use the beam turning each bolt a half turn in sequence until you see the number you want. It's only like 12 pounds of torque.
But with proper tension on each bolt, you'll get years of leak free seal.

You'll also use the beam for proper tension on the bolts when you replace the oil cooler o-ring and the distributor o-ring. Unfortunately they are becoming an every other year maintance item on these older cars.

Keep your extra o-rings stored still sealed in the package indoors somewhere they'll stay about the same temp year round. Keep the leftover permatex in similar conditions.
I'm gonna need all this info soon too so thanks :)
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Glad you get it.
Sux to do all that work and end up with a leak later.
If done correctly that rubber gasket should never leak. Trouble is them darn Honda valves need adjusting from time to time, so the gasket install is far from permanent.
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Alright guys this is the shopping cart right now: (In attachments, please check it out)

Q1: The cabin air filter and the taillight gaskets come in a pack of two right? (I forgot how to check)

Q2: I will order these parts tonight so last call, anything I'm missing?


I have to address EGR, Tires, and whatever else this month cus I can't pass inspection at the moment. :( But in the end I will end up with a healthier car so :).

I did an investigation on my ATTS issue and I found out that the codes were 57 & 53, So these things were messed up or unplugged or something when the clutch was changed:

53 - Right Shift Solenoid

57 - Oil Temperature Sensor
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Guess ya gotta find out the same way us old people did...
When the box arrives you either ordered right or not. If we keep spoon feeding you and telling you "you need to add x to your order" you'll never learn for yourself Mat.
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Guess ya gotta find out the same way us old people did...
When the box arrives you either ordered right or not. If we keep spoon feeding you and telling you "you need to add x to your order" you'll never learn for yourself Mat.
Well it would help me to save some time and money.
just saying "add this..." or "you got'em all" takes much less time and effort.
But whatever, I'm ordering them now.
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Hands up everyone who has recently changed their taillight gaskets (my hand goes up) now keep your hand up if you actually remember placing the order and specifically how many parts were in that order (hand goes back down). Most of the time when we're helping you out we either remember off the tops of our heads or have to look it up again, for me it's usually the latter. The internets is a great resource, if you learn to use it properly you'll save yourself a lot of aggravation. I mean, did you try typing those part numbers into Google? At the very least you'll get a picture of the package contents. I find doing a quick search can point you to other parts you didn't even realise you needed, Amazon is great for showing what other people bought in the same order. For instance, when I did my solenoid gasket it suggested I get the base gasket too (which you didn't), meaning I could service the whole solenoid at once, didn't have to bother these fine gents with it either. Then use that info to buy from wherever you like.

P.s. You're only getting 1/2 of your tail light gaskets, you need to order two (I looked it up for you).
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^^ my point taz was I've told this guy what he needs to do and how to do it. And if he won't take the time or make the effort to look at the site...
I mean they put it right there for you to see...how many are required vs what number you have in your cart...holy crap! Does he need somebody to tell him when he's got 5.2 quarts in the crank case? When the light turns green he can go?

Then he goes into "you do the work for me will save me time and money" nonsense...gettin just a wee bit snippy because some old guy says "think for yourself for a change"...

It's your money mat...figuring out how to spend properly is up to you, not us...
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I do agree with you entirely, IDK why I keep investing my own time to try and help but I guess I'm hoping if we spoon feed not just the information but how he can find it for himself then he might start doing this all for himself. We're all at fault here because he keeps asking and we keep biting. My overall point was that Mat thinks it's easier on everyone to just ask rather than find out for himself, like he thinks we're all a limitless repository of information that don't even have to think in order to answer these minuscule questions, which is soooooo wrong.

It's the whole "give a man a fish and he'll eat well for a night, teach a man to fish and he'll be fed for a lifetime" or my favourite interpretation "light a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night, light a man ON fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life".
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^^ couldn't have said it better.
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