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First of all hello this is my first post on this site but I've used this site as a reference and general research for almost 3 years now. But this time I need an opinion, I've had my 5th gen 2000 Prelude for almost 3 years now and I bought it at the time with minimal knowledge about the car but after years of owning it I've seen generally this car is like a Honda legend it gets respect everywhere I go from ppl with all kinds of cars. It's like it has this special type of attraction that rare cars like Supra, NSX and R34 Skyline get know what I mean? That makes me proud of owning one not only that but it hauls really good for being a 2.2L 4cyl. but it's expected from a Honda right . I have not really done much to the car all it's got is intake and it's lowered about 2 inches or so along with a sway bar in the front thats about it aside from little cosmetic modifications like HID retrofit headlights and the oh so rare Mugen MZ3X wheels.

Anyways back to the main point and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this but I'm considering selling the car in favor of buying a 2015 Civic Si. I know you guys are thinking about how Im asking this in a prelude forum where most ppl will probably give me biased opinions but I just need some direction because I don't mind keeping my Prelude I love it it's an awesome car but the worst part about it is well... it's an automatic yeah yeah I know SissyStick I've heard it all but when I had bought this car it only had 136,000 miles on it and it was in such flawless condition I couldn't say no even with the auto on there especially after seeing some other ludes in the area which were in crappy condition it made it all the more appealing. So I know I can convert it to a 5 speed which would be my next step if I were to keep the car but the thing is I'm not sure I want to keep it mainly because recently I had to throw $600 into the car due to a bad leak coming from a cracked oil filter housing and a bad oil pressure sender. That really left a bad taste in my mouth with the car because prior to that I had to have some body work done to the car and had it repainted in the process which was about $1600 because some idiot hit and run my fender jerk -.- and before that I had to have the head gasket replaced which costed about $1000 because my mechanic recommended changing various other gaskets while the car was cracked open anyway. So it just seems now that the car has 170,314 miles it's gonna start breaking down on me. Now don't get me wrong it runs like a champ but being that the car is 15 years old I can't help but feel like more repairs are coming my way due to the cars age and usage I put in about 36 miles daily maybe less and I frequently make trips to Santa Barbara from Los Angeles so yeah I think I put some pretty good miles on it. Anyways back to the point the reasons I'm considering selling the Prelude in favor of a '15 Si is 1. The car is old it's getting to that point where repairs might become frequent it's just a hassle to have to deal with. 2. its an AUTO 3. ITS AN AUTO.

So why the '15 Si? Well first of all it's very affordable and the features it has for the price point I think it's a great bargain I love how modernized it is. I just recently got the chance to be in one back at the LA Auto Show and I fell in love with the interior it's great quality for the price. Aside from that I think it has decent power seeing as how the Si is technically a bit faster than the prelude stock vs stock. It's got keyless entry, 7inch screen for the radio and vehicle info screen on the dash and just being really modern overall I love the technological advancement seen on the Si overall the step into the present for me is a big seller for that car package that with a great price tag there are no complaints here.

Then here's my Prelude, my first car, it's got a timeless look, it's well respected everywhere and I get compliments almost everywhere I go. Crazy part is I also love how it's not like a new car it's just a raw car you feel the road you feel the turns which the lude has great handling IMO and not to mention when that VTEC kicks man does it KICK I get this thrill by driving it it's really fun despite it being an auto and if I were to swap it I know that feeling would be multiplied 10x. I love the car honestly if it were manual trans I wouldn't be having this dilemma. Another reason I don't wanna sell it is last I heard 5th gen preludes are a dying breed I wanna do my part in preserving the one i have down the road I would hate to look back and regret selling this Honda masterpiece.

On a side note if I could have both I would but thats not an option for me right now. In conclusion I would like your opinions what would you guys do in my situation? What do you guys love about the Prelude? What do you know about the 15' Si? Whats your opinion on the Si? I probably won't find a definitive answer but any help really helps all i need are opinions because as of right now I've asked many ppl about it and it's 50/50 so now I turn to you guys Prelude loyalists and even though I do expect some biased replies in the end we are all Honda enthusiasts at heart why else would we be on here right?


Any help would be very very appreciated this is one of the most knowledgeable forum communities I've seen online and I look forward to all of your words of wisdom thanks in advance guys.

Last thing whether or not I end up selling my Prelude I plan to start contributing to these forums wherever I can
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Your reasons for thinking of going with a newer car are sound.

Another member here has an 012/13(?) Civic Si Mugen version. I get the impression he likes the car in general...but he said "it's like driving an appliance"...
So my questions would be: why an 015? Why not an 014 program car? An 012? Much less in price and much less loss of value, and much less personal property taxes...

Can you upgrade your insurance to cover collisions, towing and car rental? Is there an insurance in Ca that covers repairs?
Factor the cost of those vs the monthly payments and full coverage of that brand new car.

Like I said, you have sound reasons for your questions...it's a shame having the prelude 'stashed' somewhere for a while isn't an option for you.
Will you have to sell it before buying a new car or can you be picky who you sell it to? As in take off insurance, put a cover on it and wait for the right buyer?
My son turned down several buyers for his 91 auto last year. Until a lad came along who was thrilled to own a piece of Honda history, swore he'd love it forever and drove away like a sane man..to which my son knocked some $ from the price and threw in a part or two.
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It's an 08' lol but the front doesn't differ too much from the newer ones.



I own said Civic with an expensive factory bodykit...


It's a nice car, gets a good amount of attention (more from the wrong kinds of people) and overall not a bore to drive. But the amount of electronics and updated tech in something as simple as a Civic, kinda takes away from it. For a daily, it serves its purpose. I still have my Prelude, it unfortunately sits under a cover during winter.




The newer Civics have a lot more potential as far as power goes, and parts are easy to find since it's newer and more were produced. So as a daily, that's about all that makes sense as far as owning one. I can't say that keeping your Prelude would be a great thing or not, it honestly depends on how determined you are with it. Some of us only get 6,000 miles a year if not less out of our 'ludes. But are hell bent on finishing the projects we once started and continuing on until the junkyards can no longer support our addiction.
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Dang, your car is that old Wings? Speak for yourself about junkyards running outta parts...Ima have a whole 'nother car and a half stock piled by then.lol

I put less than150 on mine in 014..
134 if memory serves.

Coulda driven it more but had some issues and I didn't want to chance it breaking while away from home. So like Wings said, it's a labor of love thing that keeps me frustrated during the bad times, psyched during the good times and somewhere in between each time I look at it...

Nearly every morning I say good morning to my wife, then to the car...somedays the car, then the wife.lol
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Just over 20,000 miles on the 08 Mugen Si and just under 6,000 miles on the 01 Prelude since the tune


That was my total in driving for the past year.


Things are failing on the civic, lack of maintenance from last owner. Buying used has its downsides
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Re: Opinions needed

All you guys have good points I got some pretty good insights from here. I appreciate all the replies guys.
So far I think I'll be moving forward with the Si but first I'll have to really talk numbers with the dealer and insurance and stuff like that then I'll be able to see whether or not it's worth getting.
As for getting like a Subaru or Evo personally I do not want one they're nice cars don't get me wrong but they are ridiculously common in my opinion and honestly I am just a little biased towards staying with Honda, 'guys can't blame me right?
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Lol preludes can have whatever a new civic has you just needa put it in, the h22 still had a shed ton of aftermarket support even after all these years because of how popular they are, if you had a brand new 5th gen off the carpet same as the new civic they'd match up pretty well in age difference, the prelude aged real well. Just remember there's something different about the prelude, it was the one honda put their creative ideas into.a timeless classic that only owners truly understand, anyone who has ever owned a prelude would get that bug,

the watching it as you walk away kind of look haha
Doubt the civic will suffice in that respect my friend
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I understand the Honda loyalty.

But have you checked out the Ford Focus ST?
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I have faced this dilemma over many things. The question you have to ask yourself is, "What am I really wanting a new car for?" I understand completely about wanting something new and reliable, modern and fun, But a lot of people don't understand the financial side of it vs. what they have already. I have had a lot of people ask me these questions or make these comments, but I will base them towards you. I don't know you or your financial situation so I am not here to judge, these are just standard things to think about, no matter what brand car you want to buy.

Is your prelude paid off?

Can you afford and do you want to make a $400 a month car payment(give or take obviously based on credit score, interest and loan term etc.) for the next 5+ years? (unless you are paying cash, and estimating the purchase price will be at least $25,000, not including interest if being financed.)

Can you afford the full coverage insurance cost on a brand new vehicle? I don't know what coverage you have now or what you pay but it will be more than what you are paying on the prelude.

Getting your new car plated will be several hundred dollars alone.. Every year.

Do you really love the prelude? It would be cheaper to spend a couple grand doing a transmission swap on a car you love rather than spending 25k on a car that already has a manual transmission, and will need regular maintenance done on it, just as the Prelude will.

If you have no love or intention to modify your Prelude beyond where it is now, and you can afford a new car, then by all means make the step if you want it. Live your life how you see fit. I just know a lot of people who can't really afford a new car but want a new car and end up buying one and don't realize until after they have purchased the new car how much things really cost versus had they just kept their older vehicle and maintained it.

Either way good luck on your decision. The new Si's are nice looking.
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You make a lot of valid points here, and the Civic SI's are sick cars. Im not a huge fan of the exterior look, but man that interior is crazy. If I was in your position though, and could afford it, I would wait for the new turbo civics to be sold in the U.S. I could be wrong, and they might never be released in America since it is just speculation right now, but that's my opinion. Good luck.
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I have faced this dilemma over many things. The question you have to ask yourself is, "What am I really wanting a new car for?" I understand completely about wanting something new and reliable, modern and fun, But a lot of people don't understand the financial side of it vs. what they have already. I have had a lot of people ask me these questions or make these comments, but I will base them towards you. I don't know you or your financial situation so I am not here to judge, these are just standard things to think about, no matter what brand car you want to buy.

Is your prelude paid off?

Can you afford and do you want to make a $400 a month car payment(give or take obviously based on credit score, interest and loan term etc.) for the next 5+ years? (unless you are paying cash, and estimating the purchase price will be at least $25,000, not including interest if being financed.)

Can you afford the full coverage insurance cost on a brand new vehicle? I don't know what coverage you have now or what you pay but it will be more than what you are paying on the prelude.

Getting your new car plated will be several hundred dollars alone.. Every year.

Do you really love the prelude? It would be cheaper to spend a couple grand doing a transmission swap on a car you love rather than spending 25k on a car that already has a manual transmission, and will need regular maintenance done on it, just as the Prelude will.

If you have no love or intention to modify your Prelude beyond where it is now, and you can afford a new car, then by all means make the step if you want it. Live your life how you see fit. I just know a lot of people who can't really afford a new car but want a new car and end up buying one and don't realize until after they have purchased the new car how much things really cost versus had they just kept their older vehicle and maintained it.

Either way good luck on your decision. The new Si's are nice looking.
Good points Goose. Can I call you Goose btw?

A few years ago my son was searching for his first car. We went to dealers to get ideas on pricing and financing. He was looking at $500/month plus $150/month for insurance.

We went to a used car lot thinking these guys are shady but may have a cool car. Well as it turned out we were speaking to the owner while there. He told my son he'd be glad to sell him a $15,000 car at 29%! interest (because: no credit). But would prefer to sell him a $25000 car at 9%. Better profit for him, better car for my son. Win-win.

He then told my son to go get a 1 year $500 personal loan and make the 12 payments on time. When done get a gas card or store card. Pay 12 more payments on time and come back to see him.

My son scooped up a 91 prelude for $1300 and never went back. Now he did do the loan stuff to build up his credit. One day he may finance a car. He now has a pair of Preludes with a 3rd one in storage for later. He's put out less than $5000 total and gets to choose which car to drive each day.

Oh, and his insurance is a lot less than $150/month. A lot.
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