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after I got off work, I had the pleasant surprise of..

..a big oil leak.
I barely made the 6 mile drive home with my low oil light flickering on and off constantly.
But I got home, jacked up the front end, and went to work with some paper towels. after cleaning off all the oil I could from the ATTS unit, axle, oil pan, and tranny, I went inside for about 20 minutes, and came back out to find oil collecting under the oil filter. I took the filter off and cleaned up under the filter, and 10 minutes later it started pooling again like in the picture below

I couldn't see much of anything above the filter or just below the intake manifold, what I could see there was no fresh oil. the leak is no where near as great as it was when I was driving where I left a trail of oil and a fat puddle in the parking lot at work, also when I came home there was an even greater puddle in my driveway so this leak defiantly started yesterday.
here was what formed after only 4 minutes of being parked

so, where to go from here, could part number 32 be the culprit?

the rate at which it is leaking now is 10x slower then it was earlier, but I am guessing when you are driving that the oil pressure is much greater, hence the oil would leak from this spot much faster and greater?
thank you in advance for all your help, I am supposed to be taking a 1500 mile road trip in two weeks so any help would be much appreciated
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Re: after I got off work, I had the pleasant surprise of..

so I had a buddy come over and let the engine run for a second while I watched oil spurt out from around the oil cooler, so now I am 99% positive its that O ring inside of there, even though I have never heard of one of those randomly failing. I know a base model h22 there is nothing that could cause a leak above this cooler, (well alot of things could but yeah), same with the h23 that I looked at on the engine stand, so how about these sh h22s? as far as I can see the intake mani lies directly above the cooler so that would be the only other place oil could be coming from right?
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Re: after I got off work, I had the pleasant surprise of..

Part 32 is known to spring a leak. If ya have the extra $ now would be a great time to swap out your oil pressure sensor while you have stuff disassembled. 22mm deep well socket needed for that guy.

Good thing it happened now!!!
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Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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^^ this.
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Part 32 is known to spring a leak. If ya have the extra $ now would be a great time to swap out your oil pressure sensor while you have stuff disassembled. 22mm deep well socket needed for that guy.

Good thing it happened now!!!
thanks bykfixer, guess bicycle geeks got each others backs in more ways then one
by the oil pressure sensor that would be part #20 correct?
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Re: after I got off work, I had the pleasant surprise of..

Yep, #20.

Lemme guess, flyer is for 'Western flyer"? That was a Western Auto brand? Pardon me sir my mind is littered with Prelude and purged of most other knowledge these days..
I figured you for a pilot.

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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Yep, #20.

Lemme guess, flyer is for 'Western flyer"? That was a Western Auto brand? Pardon me sir my mind is littered with Prelude and purged of most other knowledge these days..
I figured you for a pilot.

Had me an Evel Knevel Western Flyer in the late 70's
nah, I am way to young to know any of that, haven't hit my second decade yet.
Flyer is an old nickname from when I started racing BMX and would hit any jump I came across. I know you from the "whats your username mean" thread
I am also a bike mechanic by trade
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Re: after I got off work, I had the pleasant surprise of..

Cool. You still race?

We have one of John Purse's bikes in our fleet...a couple of Hoffmans and some GT stuff.
Check out the bike whores thread sometime.

I thought I was a bike mechanic until subscribing to the Park Tools Tech Tuesday page...makes me wonder if I'm changing tubes correctly anymore.

I say do the sensor now thinking you've gotta remove a buncha stuff to get that o-ring fixed. Not sure what you have to remove, because my ATTS is gone. But do know it's an ordeal to change out that side mounted sensor on your SH block. Just did mine.

When you drain the coolant, there's still a bunch in the engine that flows out of your bottom oil cooler hose. Watch for that. I mean like a quart or more. Big mess if you aint ready.
If you figure on replacing that hose now, just pinch it off with vice grips. If not, have a jug nearby to stab over the hose when you get it unattached...big ole Gatorade bottle type thing. And wear eye protection....I had on my glasses and got a face full of coolant.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Cool. You still race?

We have one of John Purse's bikes in our fleet...a couple of Hoffmans and some GT stuff.
Check out the bike whores thread sometime.

I thought I was a bike mechanic until subscribing to the Park Tools Tech Tuesday page...makes me wonder if I'm changing tubes correctly anymore.

I say do the sensor now thinking you've gotta remove a buncha stuff to get that o-ring fixed. Not sure what you have to remove, because my ATTS is gone. But do know it's an ordeal to change out that side mounted sensor on your SH block. Just did mine.

When you drain the coolant, there's still a bunch in the engine that flows out of your bottom oil cooler hose. Watch for that. I mean like a quart or more. Big mess if you aint ready.
If you figure on replacing that hose now, just pinch it off with vice grips. If not, have a jug nearby to stab over the hose when you get it unattached...big ole Gatorade bottle type thing. And wear eye protection....I had on my glasses and got a face full of coolant.
yes racing nationwide all the time, first race of the season in in one week.
as for all the conspiracies park tool may come up with, one thing for sure is I have yet to see a tube fail after I ave replaced it so, I don't change my technique
I have never dealt with something like this with the engine in the car, and never with an sh block. is it not as simple as to disconnect the two hoses and remove the center bolt to change that o ring? or is it just a space issue?
edit: I see you were talking about the sensor. so that is tricky but the o ring itself is pretty straight forward?
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Re: after I got off work, I had the pleasant surprise of..

All Gen. Prelude Service Manuals
Chapter 8 gives torques etc.

The oil pressure sensor procedure mentions removing the atts. Now I don't know if that is because the atts blocks it. I do know the axle on my base tranny wasn't in the way. But the cooling line was. The atts unit may or may not block you removing that oil cooler assembly.

My tires don't go flat either flyer. But those mt bikes and road racers are getting mighty tech-ee these days.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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It look like the oil cooler itself would be a tight fit let alone the sensor.
Another kick in the rear for me wanting to be special and all by getting an SH
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Eh, it's a great car. Just has some tight places the base don't have.
However it also has that turn like a high speed wheel chair feature the base didn't have.
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that moment when the on ramp becomes the finial corner on the final lap...
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Exactly...and you got grip like you cheated or something..
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Well, tackled that job and got it done, so far no oil leak!
Thanks bykfixer for all your help!
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Yer kidding? Already? You da man!

Way to go!!!

Did ya do it with the atts still attached?
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Way to go!!!

Did ya do it with the atts still attached?
yes of course. I just loosened the center bolt and replaced the ring. Didn't remove the atts, axles, disconnect any of the cooler hoses or anything. I didn't replace the sensor either, with the frustration of that job its worth it for me to leave that until next weekend, or until that sensor throws a code.
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awesome you got that fixed...happened to me a month ago...
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I didn't replace the sensor either, with the frustration of that job its worth it for me to leave that until next weekend, or until that sensor throws a code.
Nice! The sensor will cause an oil lamp to flicker (not flash) or turn on and stay. If it flashes it sensed low pressure breifly. If it stays on it's the sensor or low pressure. If you have low oil pressure, you'll probably know anyhow...all that noise.lol
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Nice! The sensor will cause an oil lamp to flicker (not flash) or turn on and stay. If it flashes it sensed low pressure breifly. If it stays on it's the sensor or low pressure. If you have low oil pressure, you'll probably know anyhow...all that noise.lol
Not to mention the burning smell. that low oil light is what brought death to my first prelude, fearful flashbacks strike me every time I see it come on and my hand can't get to the key fast enough.
Well this morning it was leaking again, not near as bad and this time it was pooling on the top lip of the oil cooler instead of the bottom, like oil was coming down onto the cooler, running down before dripping off of it. Are you familiar with a sh block and do you know what lies in the IM that's directly above the cooler?
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That is weird.
Can you see "wet" above the cooler? I'll check out the "possible leaks" thread here, but off the top of my head, the valve cover is the next possible thing..or the cylinder head...hmmm

Sounds like it's time to put it on a lift and have a look-see with the motor running. Maybe have the folks you trust enough to inspect your car lift it and look.

I've not done the oil cooler o-ring (yet) but if I do I'll finger tight each bolt and tighten them one turn at a time in an alternating fashion to ensure equal tension is applied to the o-ring. I'd more than likely spend quite some time ensuring the mating surfaces are completely oil-less, starting with brake cleaner soaked paper towels and ending with a good scrub with a scotch brite pad/final wipe with a damp paper towel and let dry a little while.
Takes me forever to get the nerve up to re-assemble...cause I hate having to redo stuff like that. When it's ready, I pace back n forth all talking to myself lol...then " sigh, alright, time to do this thing"...I hate leaks...especially when it's my fault.
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All Gen. Prelude Service Manuals
Chapter 8 gives torques etc.

The oil pressure sensor procedure mentions removing the atts. Now I don't know if that is because the atts blocks it. I do know the axle on my base tranny wasn't in the way. But the cooling line was. The atts unit may or may not block you removing that oil cooler assembly.

My tires don't go flat either flyer. But those mt bikes and road racers are getting mighty tech-ee these days.
too tech-ee in my opinion. There are always going to be multiple ways to get to a similar end result. in my experience I try different things and determine which is best on a case by case basis. you both know there is only so much that can be learned by reading, you have to get your hands on it to truely figure things out.


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That is weird.
Can you see "wet" above the cooler? I'll check out the "possible leaks" thread here, but off the top of my head, the valve cover is the next possible thing..or the cylinder head...hmmm

Sounds like it's time to put it on a lift and have a look-see with the motor running. Maybe have the folks you trust enough to inspect your car lift it and look.

I've not done the oil cooler o-ring (yet) but if I do I'll finger tight each bolt and tighten them one turn at a time in an alternating fashion to ensure equal tension is applied to the o-ring. I'd more than likely spend quite some time ensuring the mating surfaces are completely oil-less, starting with brake cleaner soaked paper towels and ending with a good scrub with a scotch brite pad/final wipe with a damp paper towel and let dry a little while.
Takes me forever to get the nerve up to re-assemble...cause I hate having to redo stuff like that. When it's ready, I pace back n forth all talking to myself lol...then " sigh, alright, time to do this thing"...I hate leaks...especially when it's my fault.
on the SH block and what I can see on my h23 block its just the one center bolt that holds the cooler onto the block? I cleaned up everything again today and sat under the car when it was running. no leaks, must have sat under there for almost 10 minutes.

this is a picture I took last night. so that drip is above the old on, on the lip of the cooler.
once piece of info that I haven't given because I thought it was irreverent is that I have had a slow leak in my clutch line ever since I changed my clutch. I have changed both master and slave cylinders and have traced every inch of the line I could multiple times, and just cant seem to find out where all my fluid is going. I have to fill up my reservoir once a week, and if I run it a little bit dry and it starts to go soft, I just fill it up, pump for a full minute, and it self bleeds. So maybe its clutch fluid thats dripping down and on the way it gets dark to look like oil?
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The OFFICIAL Oil/Coolant Leaking Thread
^^ the thread

It looks to me like either your o-ring is still squirting out oil or you have a leak at the head gasket or above.

Did you use any kind of thread tape or sealer?
I used 3 wraps of teflon on my pressure sensor.
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