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Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Hey guys, wasn't sure exactly where I should post this thread so I hope I'm in the right place. Anyways I'm storing my 5th gen prelude for the winter, it is clean with low km so last thing i want to do is let the winter have its take on it. I've never stored a vehicle for winter before as the last prelude I owned I winter drove, so I just have a couple questions. I obviously plan on cleaning the car inside and out as clean as possible before storing it. I am storing it in my garage but do you guys think I should buy a car cover. Got any recommendations for car covers? Are there any car covers which will prevent the car from getting too cold as it hits temperatures as low as -40,-45 degrees Celsius (not sure what that is in Fahrenheit I live in Canada). It is due for an oil change soon too so should I do that before storing it? And while it is stored away should I be turning it on every once in a while like once a week for example and let it run for a few minutes? Sorry for the noob questions . Thanks for reading guys.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Great questions! Sounds like you have a nice example of Hondas recent past and hope to keep it that way. Cool.

First off:
Flat spots on the tires develop. Overfill your tires a few pounds with nitrogen. Push it out doors from time to time if you can. If not a foot or two will do. In the spring the first few miles may be 'thumpy" somewhat, but they should roll good soon. If you can, put crappy tires on it.

Second, change that oil. Always store the car with fresh oil. Pull the plugs, put some oil in the holes and put them back.

If your garage is wind free, a blanket will keep the dust off. Give it a fresh wax with some synthetic wax. Any dust will come right off with a car brush. A cover is good but not required. If your garage is subject to wind then a flannel cover is best with a blanket over it for potential dust. They make inflatable covers now that vacuum seal your car. But they're pricey. California car covers comes to mind. They have nice Kimberll Clark and other nice ones.

Rodents look for places to hibernate. Plug all orifices like exhaust pipes and the resonator. Place rodent traps inside. Check the traps as necessary.

Moisture control can be achieved with a few adult diapers opened up for max absorption inside the car.

Air fresheners keep the musty smell away. Circulation is best. But at -45 you probably aint hanging out in the garage with a fan blowing through the car.

Battery tenders keep your battery fresh. In the extremes you speak of starting the car will lead to condensation inside the motor. Leave it turned off.

Fuel stabilizer run through the system and in the tank. It's best to store it either empty of full of fuel. No room for condensation when max full. Marine stabilizer for best results. Don't worry about over dosing.

Make sure your coolant can handle the temperatures you encounter.
Also bleed your brake fluid before it gets cold to remove any condenstion that develops from brake heat while driving it.

Do not leave the parking brake on. Use wheels chocks if nessecary to keep it from rolling.

Come spring, roll the car outdoors in the sun and let it acclimate for a day if practicle.

Read sites like 'super chevy' and old car forums. Those guys are masters at storing their classic gems nearly year round as they only get brought out for shows and the occasional jaunts. Many are stored in old barns and under car ports where conditions are less than ideal.

Lastly, show us pix of that jewel. We wanna see it here at pz.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Thank you for all the advice bykfixer! So overfill my tires okay, unfortunately I have no spare crappy tires. I'll do an oil change too then forsure. And wax it too.

I'll probably look into car covers as well since I'm paranoid and I'll feel extra happy having one on my lude haha. And you think I shouldn't start my car for those months its being stored??

I'm sorry what are battery tenders haha? And speaking of batteries should I get a car battery cover? And fuel tank empty or full, okay sounds good. So leaving it full for 5-6 months or however long it'll take for spring to arrive won't allow the fuel to go bad or anything?

Sorry for the noob questions btw I'm not the best handyman with cars but I've been trying to learn as much as I can step by step. And I'll post up some pics soon!
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

And in terms of fuel stabilizer I add it in before I fill up the gas tank to full I'm guessing? I haven't used fuel stabilizer before. Again sorry for the beginner questions, I'm learning and hoping to soon be as handy with cars as all you experts on this forum!
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.


^^ a dual battery tender. Like $95.
You can get single ones for like $50. It keeps a trickle charge on your battery and turns off when it's charged.

I placed the nearby stabilizer bottle on the tender to show the kind NOT to get. We use it for lawnmowers over the summer because a 3 gallon tank lasts longer than the ethanol used to boost the octane where I live. I use marine in the cars for long term storage and a whole buncha red if I need to store my car for a month or so to fix a problem that takes me several days or weeks. Auto parts store carry both. At fuel up is perfect. Put in your dose, then filling the tank mixes it nicely. Marine kind is good for at least a year. I used it in a car that sat 6 months and it fired up like it had been started the day before.

Kimberly Clark makes an evolution III cover custom fit for your car. Looks all cool too. But...it's expensive. But it's a super nice, perfect fitting cover that protects against hail.


^^ why I bought a dual tender.
We have a 91 in mothballs awaiting full on restore and my 97 is under construction. (I roll it weekly). So we keep batteries charged with our tender. My son has an 01. The 2nd tender kept his battery fresh for 10 months while it got a new motor. Started right up thanx to fuel stabilizer.

We had junkyard accord wheels on his 01 while it sat and I have a 91 in my backyard sitting on 4 spare tire donuts from the junkyard. Like $50 each for junkyard wheels n tires. $15 each for the donuts.

Why not run it you ask?


^^ oil mixed with condensation in my 97.
It's been plagued with issues all summer. I work a lot. So it sits a lot. Lot's of idling to determine if cooling system works and other issues caused this. And a previous owner didn't keep good oil in it.


^^ the evolution III cover.
My car lives out doors. A member from Oklahoma (read mega hail country) was getting out of the prelude life and sold me his. I've had it 2 years now.


^^ a 1990's nylon cover
We keep the 91 covered with this light weight parachute material cover left from my pop's old thunder bird he sold. We take it off each month and dust the car off. It's not ideal that the car gets dusty. But we wax it about every 90 days or so.

^^ $15 +/- at auto parts stores.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Alright perfect, I'll buy the battery tender this weekend then forsure since I plan on putting the lude away Monday. I'm not sure if I'll find a kimberly clark car cover anywhere near where I live and I don't want to wait to ship one so I'll buy one similar this weekend as well.

Don't buy STA-BIL fuel stabilizer, okay sounds good I won't. I found these 2 online at a store nearby my house, what do you think? Canadian Tire - MotoMaster Fuel Stabilizer customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings
Canadian Tire - STP Fuel Stabilizer + Water Remover (Ethanol), 946-ml customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings

And so I don't turn on the car for the whole 6 months its stored???

By the way your driveway lineup is like a dream come true to me !
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Oh nevermind you do use a STA-BIL fuel stabilizer just the marine version? Is this the one here: Sta-Bil Marine Formula | Canadian Tire

If this is it it is located at the store nearby my house which is perfect
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And dust the car, thats easy !
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

That's the stabilizer to use. Great price too. It runs $12+ where I live.

Any ole car cover will do. If you have a wind free garage a little big is good. If a lot of air moves, get one that fits snug. In your case a $35 cover will work fine. Keeps ultraviolet light out.


^^ my boss did this car.
I learned from a few car fixing masters. The pictured car was in the woods when he found it. No engine or tranny. Seats all cracked up and glass busted.

If you really can't stand it, go ahead and crank the car...out doors. Or at least push it to where the exhaust is outside. Carbon monoxide and all that. It really won't hurt anything to start it from time to time. But if you do, run the engine long enough to boil any condensation in your exhaust pipe. Give her a few good revs to blow out the water before you shut it off.


^^ here's the whole herd.
F to R: 93s 5 speed with JDM goodies, 2001 base 5 speed with a few add ons, 97 SH with 4th gen tranny (read atts gone) and 91 Si 5 speed. All black.
I have a (black) 91 that's a parts barn. Drive train-less car that stores numerous parts for the black 91.


^^ it's in the rear
We sold the red car for motor $ for the 2001.


^^ the 91 in moth balls shortly before moving indoors.
145k miles on her. She's been through a lot and was rescued from the tow truck taking her to the junkyard by the guy I got her from. He broke the motor and sold it to me. A working motor is in it now, but we wanna rebuild the original some day.

My 97 aint as lucky as your car.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Wowzer, I don't envy you living through such a cold winter. The coldest it ever gets down here is around -5C, it doesn't even snow. Apparently -40C is the same as -40F too, that's where the scales line up so I learnt something today. I'd be worried about the various fluids freezing at those temperatures. The general consensus is that gasoline will start to freeze between -40 and -50, but being a mix of many different hydrocarbons it will likely start to crystallize before this point. I'd be checking the coolant you have in it as you're starting to get down to the point where even anti-freeze will still freeze. Maybe think about a coolant change and running a little higher coolant to water ratio, if this stuff freezes it will expand and potentially crack the block. As Bykfixer said (he knows all), fresh brake fluid has less water in it so is less likely to freeze too. The temps in your garage hopefully won't get as low as outside, but a blanket might be nice on those chilly nights.

If you are going to start it through the winter, definitely wait until the temps are much higher to do it. Engine oil gets a LOT thicker as the mercury drops so it will not lubricate as well.

This is more of a question than advice, but would it be worth (for the sake of the tires) to invest in some jack stands? Keeping the wheels off the ground would save them from getting flat spots too, and jack stands are a must for any home mechanic anyway.

I always laugh at the local tire shop when they offer to fill my tires with nitrogen, air is already like 78% nitrogen. Most of the rest is oxygen (a little under 21%) then the balance is water vapor and all the other trace gases. The theory goes that the nitrogen is less likely to leech out through the minuscule holes in the rubber, to which is true to a certain extent, but the idea that the O2 will fall out and the N2 won't is just ridiculous. Pure N2 will still leech out albeit slightly slower than an O2/N2 mix (in the order of only a few percent). This is generally only the case when tires get older and microscopic cracks form in the rubber too. I think telling people their pressure's will not drop if they fill up with nitrogen is dangerous too as they will be less likely to check the pressures themselves and risk tire damage or worse, and it is much easier to fill up with air at the local service station when getting fuel anyway than going to a tire shop that stocks nitrogen for a top-up every few weeks. The other part of the theory is that the water vapor itself is dangerous, which under race conditions the hot tires can cause the vapor to boil and create a rapid rise in pressure and possibly a blow-out. Bottled N2 has a lower water vapor content than an air compressor can create so many racing teams use N2 as a safety measure. Once again for road use the tire temperatures will never get this high so it is not an issue. But hey, lots of people seem to believe in it though so if it makes you feel better then go for it. /rant

You've got a nice fleet of 'ludes happening there Bykfixer, and some great advice there too.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Tassie, I've read that hanging your springs etc while the car is on jackstands is a no-no. Stretches stuff meant to stay compressed.
Guys with Lambos and such use devices under their tires called 'slippers' or 'socks' made of soft material that's weight dispersing and thereby reduces or eliminates flat spots. But the ones that actually work start at like $250 ea. Some use sand bags full of....sand. you raise the car, slide 'em under the wheels and you're good. Too much trouble imo, when rolling it a foot or two week to week works. Especially if over filled. Say like 40psi.
I don't use nitrogen but know folks who do. And they rarely have to fill their tires.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

I've stored my car the last 4 winters since i owned it and because its never seen a winter in its entire life and all I do is make sure the handbrake ISNT on, wheel chocks and car in neutral, fresh oil/filter and fill the tank to the legit top and put a full bottle of marine stabil in it. never needed a battery tender and it gets to -30 here and colder aswell as not using a car cover just because to me it's not needed where I have the car stored. And don't start it as said above it will just make condensation which you dont want. Works for me and starts first click of the key every spring.
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Do you unhook your battery Jb?
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

nope i've never even ever unhooked the battery any of the winters i've stored it. cars never needed a boost or anything of the like since i've owned it. might be wise to unhook it though but for me personally even with our ice cold winters she always goes like a charm
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Beautiful line up of cars bykfixer, really. I crack a smile everytime i get to witness someone who loves and cares for preludes so much! And it sucks tassie trust me haha, I was born and raised here but as soon as I finish school I am getting out of here forsure i can't do these winters anymore. After reading all this I probably wont start the car while in storage, thanks guys.

Last question, I should of mentioned this in the beginning as it is the make or break to me deciding if I'm going to store the lude or not. I'm parking it in a double garage if I do and my mom uses the garage to park her vehicle which she will drive all winter so the garage will be opening and closing several times a day which will let in dirt and such, is this a bad place to be storing the vehicle? With the door opening and dirt getting in and my car potentially getting dirty is it alright storing it in this environment? And is a little bit of dirt as bad as they say it is if theres any on the car sitting for all those months? If so I'm paranoid of it getting dirty haha, especially since before I store it I'll be washing it at a car wash then driving it home and it could get dirty just on that one trip (I can't wash it on the driveway as it suddenly hit below freezing and snowed a ton, I know I'm an idiot for planning to store it away at such a late date but I hadn't made this decision until recently).

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Oh and your boss bykfixer is quite the man! What a restoration!
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Good coat of wax and a nice car brush.

Sounds like your biggest fear should be door ding-age.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

I have stored my Prelude every winter since 2009. Here are the things I do and why I do them if you want to know. They run slightly differently from what the other guys have said.

I don't change out any of the fluids prior to the winter, especially the oil. I'll make sure I have ran the car on a nice, 20 minute drive (or whatever gets my oil temp up to 190 degrees or higher) prior to it going into the garage for the winter so that it boils off the condensation that may be in the oil. In the spring, I'll jack the car up and change the oil (let it drain over the course of 24 hours) so that i have entirely new and fresh oil for the driving season. Why put new oil in something that you're not going to turn on? Besides, I use Royal Purple in my car, which is a synthetic and I've read on the website Bob is the Oil Guy that if you haven't met mileage requirements for an oil change, then go by the rule of changing out conventional oil every 6 months and synthetic every 12.

Same applies with brake fluid. Why change it out 6 months early when you could wait until spring when you'll drive it again to bleed it out? Brake fluid such as DOT 3 or 5 recommends you change it out every 3 years or 50,000 miles I believe. So it makes more sense to start that "countdown" at a later time.

I take my battery out and if the voltmeter checks out okay, then I just bring it inside and don't even put a battery tender on it. Being in a ~70 degree house will help the battery not degrade or lose charge.

Put a car cover over the car for two reasons: #1, it'll keep the dust off that is naturally present even if you were to keep the garage door shut the whole winter. and #2, although you might be the kind of person that would say "I'll never set anything on my car!" you will find out that you might and having a cover on it is a good way to protect your paint from scratches.

Instead of sealing up places on your car where rodents could get in, just get rodent traps to place around your car.

I personally don't believe that storing your car for 6 months will result in creating flat spots on your tires. This applied to old bias ply tires and now people believe it still applies to radial tires, but I've never had any flat spots even after garaging the car 98% of the time for the past 6 years. If you're worried, they make plastic molds that are curved that you jack your car up and put it underneath. This helps maintain the circular-ness of the tire while it sets.

Don't start your car over the winter at all. My logic goes like this: all engine oil will eventually drain to the bottom of the pan from the cylinder walls, cam lobes, etc within a week. So even if you start it up every month, that's still going to be 6 cold starts that are hard on your engine. Instead, waiting to turn it on for that one time in the spring when you bring it out will result in only 1 hard cold start on your engine versus 6.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

So the garage constantly opening throughout storage and dirt coming in isnt a big deal? Sounds like the lude is going into storage! Man am I gonna miss driving it for the next 5 months.

I'll see if i can throw some pics up before I store it for the winter.

Thanks for the advice everyone, bykfixer your a life saver.
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And I'll make sure to get rodent traps akaprepreludesh, thanks !
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Fielders choice.
As for me and my cars, clean ones....

Daniel, I can tell ya it aint easy leaving your Prelude parked for months at a time.
If the weather allows you to roll it outside you can do some TLC on items like rubber gaskets, under the hood or general plastics etc then roll it back.
That's what I do to my 97 when it's broken and I'm either waiting on parts or the fix will take longer than I have time for on any given day.
It moves wheel bearings, relieves pressure from that same ole spot the tires usually sit on and gives you a sense of satisfaction spending time improving the car.

Me personally, I love to drive my car. But at the same time I enjoy working on it too. I knew when I bought a beat up 15 year old car (in 012) with 238k miles on the chassis, a sizeable task was involved. And that it would probably sit a lot for a couple of years.

So I read and read and read how to store a car.
Plus like I said I work with some car guys.
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Re: Storing my 5th Gen for the winter. Couple questions.

Yes working on the car on your own is very rewarding which is why I'm trying to learn step by step, and this forum has contributed a lot. At the age of 20 I still got a lot to learn, but the goal is to one day be handing out the advice instead of receiving it haha. As for your prelude that sounds like quite the task you've had on your hands, I hope you get it to the stage you've always planned.

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