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Old 11-06-2014, 06:05 PM
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Forgive the stupid beginner question, but i've searched high and low for this answer and found nil.

I found a set of Stainless steel 4-2-1 headers on ebay for around $100, whereas DC's stainless steel headers are priced between $350-$400. How much does the brand really matter when it comes to this sort of thing?
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

The build, the shape and the materials are what matter in an exhaust header.

Say you buy an R.A.C.E brand (made up that name)It's probably made in a third world country in a factory assembly line by a kid making $14 a month. That factory may or may not have a quality control process where that same kid after a 20 hour day picks one out a 175 he made that day and inspects it for qc. He's not gonna really give a crap about the only one that was checked. So how about the other 174?
That's the build.

Materials are likely some metal brought to the kid by a worker who has those same issues. So figure the materials aint so sporty either.

Shape is a same ole same ole that is nearly exactly the same as the car came with. Add some shiney stuff and call it a custom header.

That's the $250 to 300 type.


Now take ABC brand.
Build: a guy who owns and loves race products, owns the company and sells to famous race car owners. He builds 1 a day with the care and technique he'd use on his own car.

Materials: he's checked each item as it is delivered off the truck. The metal is proven reliable and accurate over time.

Shape: hours upon hours spent in a dyno room with computer generated shapes, sizes and curves using trial and error to ensure each design reaches it's peak performance regardless how long it takes.
That's the $1000 kind.

You ask about a hundred dollar kind....
Generally speaking it don't sound like you would be any better off smoking a hundred dollar bill then buying that header...well if you smoke the bill there's a 50/50 shot you'd get a buzz. But with that header... Not even that.
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

^^ Here here.

IDK how you claim to have not found anything from searching, there are like a billion header threads on here.

The general consensus is as Bykfixer said, most brands out there simply copy the OEM design which is pretty damn good anyway. $250-$300 gets a shiny piece of metal and not much else. $100 probably gets cheap material which will likely buckle or crack the first time it gets hot, and probably has a worse-than-OEM design.

I've been researching this a lot lately, and there isn't much off the shelf that will produce any legitimate gains. The better-than-OEM off the shelf replacements I've found so far are made by Jun, Fujitsubo, Vibrant (getting harder to find), ESP, and as always the Hytech (or maybe the replica). These all use much larger bits of pipe (up to 2 1/2" collector in some) and these companies have actually invested time and effort into producing a quality product and all cost between $500-$1000. They will also bother to tell you the primary, secondary and collector sizes, and show dyno graphs to support their claims. There used to be custom ones made by SMSP, RMF, SSR etc. but I don't think they're available any more so unless you can find a set second hand you're out of luck. These custom headers also generally need some head work to actually benefit from them.

So the best option I found is to take off the stock header, clean it, paint it (with special ceramic based paint), and put it back on. It doesn't look that pretty but it does the job and doesn't cost much to do. You can then use the money you saved to go towards a proper HP-gaining mod, or maybe have a nice dinner.
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

^^ exactly!!!
Better gains can be found in stiff motor mounts than those off the shelf headers. If you want cool factor for opening the hood at the saturday night car meet, then sure dc etc are fine.

But if you wanna run with this guy...


^^ you gotta spend some real cash.
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

i wouldnt even plan to build to run with that guy lol, but i would never buy another OE replacement header... thats what DC and Megan Racing are... mass produced OEM replacements... just shiny.

i would spend real money on a vibrant, or hytech replica, something thats gonna stand out from the rest, and still prove gains.
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

Thanks for the answers everyone.
I have been reading tons of header threads from all sorts of different sources, but none seemed to answer my question i posted here, to thanks.
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

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^^ Here here.

IDK how you claim to have not found anything from searching, there are like a billion header threads on here.

The general consensus is as Bykfixer said, most brands out there simply copy the OEM design which is pretty damn good anyway. $250-$300 gets a shiny piece of metal and not much else. $100 probably gets cheap material which will likely buckle or crack the first time it gets hot, and probably has a worse-than-OEM design.

I've been researching this a lot lately, and there isn't much off the shelf that will produce any legitimate gains. The better-than-OEM off the shelf replacements I've found so far are made by Jun, Fujitsubo, Vibrant (getting harder to find), ESP, and as always the Hytech (or maybe the replica). These all use much larger bits of pipe (up to 2 1/2" collector in some) and these companies have actually invested time and effort into producing a quality product and all cost between $500-$1000. They will also bother to tell you the primary, secondary and collector sizes, and show dyno graphs to support their claims. There used to be custom ones made by SMSP, RMF, SSR etc. but I don't think they're available any more so unless you can find a set second hand you're out of luck. These custom headers also generally need some head work to actually benefit from them.

So the best option I found is to take off the stock header, clean it, paint it (with special ceramic based paint), and put it back on. It doesn't look that pretty but it does the job and doesn't cost much to do. You can then use the money you saved to go towards a proper HP-gaining mod, or maybe have a nice dinner.

ESP? must be new... never heard of them making anything more than traction bars...

Randy of RMF unfortunately from what i've read, passed away a few years ago.

Dave of SMSP still makes headers, but you have to have a lot of patience to hear from him - it's very busy but worth it in the end.

Hytech are still made as well.

There was another company that made well known custom headers but the name always slips my mind... The top 3 are above.

Then there is Mugen, Jun, Vibrant, and Kamikaze - all discontinued but can be found used/remaining stock.

DC and Megan are pretty looking factory headers.



I own a full SMSP header back system. My advice: don't even ask for a quote unless you intend to keep your car...forever...


Good brands use good materials. Different typs of stainless steel etc depending on who makes it. I forget which type of stainless mine is.
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Re: Is brand more important than material?

Contrary to popular belief, stainless rusts in time. Some 'grades' worse than others. But if you keep good maintenance under the hood it can be kept to a minimum.
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