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Another clutch problem/question

Hello everyone I just purchased a 98 prelude type sh and love it,have been having some clutch problems since i bought it drove great when i test drove it now the hidden problems are arising apprently the kid said he also put a stage four clutch in it thinking this could be the cause for some things.

I replaced slave cylnder and master cylinder, oem for master and a cheap slave cylinder.

If i try to drop third while in fourth or fifth Ihear a grinding noise and it wont let me downshift to gear brake. ive already looked at the no more clutch problems thread and adjusted clutch disengage point did not help.

Also on startup when the car is cold i can shift effortlessly but when its warm i have to jam the car into gear any suggestions?

I have a jdm close ratio 5 speed tranny laying in my shop, I just cant afford a new clutch right now thanks for looking.
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Re: Another clutch problem/question

Are you absolutely, positively sure you got all the air out? Fittings tight and torqued to spec?
Why scrimp on the slave?

Could be your synchros.

Fast shifting these cars can lead to grinding gears in time. Especially the 3rd and 5th syncro.

Check your tranny oil. Matter of fact, dump it and put in Honda mtf.
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Are you absolutely, positively sure you got all the air out? Fittings tight and torqued to spec?
Why scrimp on the slave?

Could be your synchros.

Fast shifting these cars can lead to grinding gears in time. Especially the 3rd and 5th syncro.

Check your tranny oil. Matter of fact, dump it and put in Honda mtf.
I dumped it and put honda mtf, im gonna try and bleed it some more tomorrow see if that helps

Fittings are tight, I cheaped out cause i was strapped for cash at the time. the cheap master cylinder wasn't long enough so i went oem,

So another thing that happens I didn't explain was when i'm rolling to a stop with the clutch pedal depressed in, with the stick into third or second the car shakes and rumbles likes its grinding trying to go into that gear almost, the feeling of a bad shift out of first gear.

since i adjusted the master cylinder nut i can roll to that stop with first in gear with clutch pedal pressed down with no rumble just if im in a higher gear it does it bad.

sorry for long post
just confused as ive never read up on a situation like this
car also has 153xx miles

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Re: Another clutch problem/question

Maybe u have some hot spots on the flywheel, getting all the air out the system sux, took my brother and I a long time to get the air out of the lines on my sh.
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Re: Another clutch problem/question

To triple check a new system we pushed the fork to disengage clutch, opened the bleeder and poured fluid through the system.

You move the slave piston towards the passenger side and wedge it to keep it that way. Have a fluid cup or other device at the end of your bleeder hose and 2 bottles of brake fluid on hand.
Pour fluid in resevior and watch it flow. Keeping the resevior half full or more at all times, we watched the hose for bubbles. When the cup was full bleeder was closed and fluid put back into the bottle. Repeat, and repeat until you feel like you've had the fluid you began with in the cup and saw no bubbles.
Took us about an hour.
That was the no pedal method.
To do the original fill we pumped the pedal to force fluid into the system until there were no bubbles. Then we let it set a day or two so any air would likely gather into one bubble near the resevior if there was any. The no pedal method showed there was no air.
Also ensure your resevior cap is good in that it seals when tight.
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Re: Another clutch problem/question

^^^ What Bykfixer said, but I wanted to add...

Are you losing any fluid? Do these cars have a rubber clutch line hose? The 3rd GENs do and mine had a pinhole and leaked so little, that it was undetectable except for the dirt around the pinhole on the underside. The ONLY way to make sure that you don't have any more air in the system is to put a fluid catch bottle on the bleeder screw of the Slave cylinder and keep feeding the resevoir... don't let it get down to the bottom at all. I bled my master cylinder via the pump method, then I bled the fluid lines, then I bled the Slave. You can make your own bleeder reservoir with a clear tube/hose and any small container with a plastic top. Just drill a hole a little smaller than the hose so it'll hold the container in place. I used a small brisket rub jar as it was plstic and so was the lid and it was "low profile" and it would fit/sit in the area and not be in the way.
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^^ we used a brake bleeder catch cup.
Leite or something like that. It was on the backwall at sears with dental pix, pry bars etc.

The 5th gen has a metal line Tony. My son replaced his with a braided flexible line.
We too had a very small leak that went unseen at first. When I tourqued down the clutch line to the master cylinder with a 10mm crow foot on the 3/8" clicker there hasn't been a leak since. 14 or 16#'s I forget.
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Re: Another clutch problem/question

Thanks for the responses guys I just replaced clutch fluid reservoir cap and reservoir line to master cylinder last week, no loss of brake fluid any more.

Another scenario I've tested is ill hold the stick over first gear to until a stop and it wont let me put it into first until I'm going 5 mph or under.

Its as if the car will only let me put into the gear it needs to go into, if i'm going say 25 I try to put into 3rd I get grinding noise, it wants to be put into second if that makes sense.

For some reason hotspots on the flywheel sound reasonable or maybe air in system either way i still need to bleed it more, today I was to busy at work couldn't get the car in to bleed it.
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First gear fighting back above 5mph is normal. And that grinding into 3rd thing is a likely a syncro issue. Usually comes from abusing the tranny because the metal Honda used isn't made outta steel like the old days.
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Re: Another clutch problem/question

Well I just ordered a new clutch and flywheel time to put the new tranny in hopefully it goes well, a little nervous about the Jdm tranny. They claimed 33k miles and good compresion off motor it came with

I went with exedy stage 1 ceramic.
At least ill have a working atts
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