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Old 10-25-2014, 05:22 PM
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1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

Guys,

I have a 1998 Prelude Type SH with 115K miles. Timing belt was last done in 2004 at 45K miles. Yes I know I'm an idiot and now it's time to get it done before it blows!

I've searched through a number of threads, forums, google, etc. and come up with the following parts list. Can anyone with experience PLEASE review and let me know if it looks like I got all logical parts listed to perform with the timing belt. I'm buying the parts from Majestic and having the local Honda dealer do labor. Parts as follows:

Description (Part No.)
Cam Seal (91213-PR3-004)
Front Balance Shaft Seal (91233-PT0-003)
Balance Shaft Seal Retainer (06923-POA-306)
Water Pump (19200-P13-003)
Front Crank Main Seal (91212-PAA-A01)
Timing Belt Kit (06144-P13-305)
Balance Belt (13405-PT0-004)
Valve Cover Gasket Set (12030-P13-000)
Power Steering Belt (56992-PDE-E01)
Alternator Belt (38920-P0F-J01)

I got quotes from three (3) dealerships. Average labor for all of the above is $400-500, if I provide the parts.

However, one of the service techs said I should do the Oil Pump Seal, since everything would be taken off for the timing belt. She said (yes she!) it would add about $220 in labor just for that oil pump seal replacement. Is the oil pump seal worth it?

Also, one of the tech mentioned two (2) tensioners. Any validity with that?

Can anyone please confirm if I'm missing anything in your opinion? I just want to order the parts from the Majestic and not miss anything.

Thanks.
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

One tensioner puts pressure one the balance belt and timing belt. Its called a hydraulic auto tensioner. Should definitely be replaced. . Probably dont need a new seal retainer. Is metal and just sits there bolted in. Looks like you got everything else.
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

Ok thanks...

The "Timing Belt Kit" includes the auto tensioner, which I plan to replace. Is there a 2nd tensioner required?

Or what part number was I missing from the above?
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...AjXDHDxmJ-YdGw
^^ balance shaft retainer.

Honda says they don't exist and I forget the p/n.
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

Might as well replace the oil pump seal while your in there already.... For that labor cost though is do oil pump too lol.

Quick story.
My friend got his timing chain replaced. He asked me for my advice on what to replace. Money was not an issue, his mom was paying and she has money... So i told him what I would do. Replace the seals, chain tensioner, water pump, etc while in there. Even if not broken.
He said he would, but he didn't. Only did the chain. Why? Because he didn't want to deal with finding all the parts. His mechanic have him discount for bringing the parts for him.
Payed $500 for labor.

A week later the tensioner went bad and guess what he payed that $500 in labor again to do everything me and his mechanic recommended..... Plus a little extra for the work for the other R&Is
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Keep in mind if you are ordering from those "30% off" places expect some wait time. Like maybe as long as 2 weeks.
See they are not a gigantic warehouse with a whole buncha parts but are a couple of blokes with a computer who order from the same warehouses as your local dealer. So it takes the time for the parts to arrive to them, then they ship the total package to you. Cam seal might be in new york and belt might be in california. Honda has warehouses at various locations.
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

Majestic is pretty good on there time to ship it out. Usually within a week. Other sites do take longer.
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

I'm sorry to resurrect this thread but please help.

I am about to order all these parts, however, a guy at Majestic is saying I need to replace the parts in illustration #23 and #18 in the following diagram...

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I know #23 is the tensioner which is included in the Timing Belt Kit (06144-P13-305). However, no one has mentioned requiring part #18, which is very expensive...

Can anyone confirm they also replaced part #18 when they do their standard timing belt job? If I need to order it I will...just thought the one tensioner was required...

Thanks.
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

#18 probably doesn't need to be replaced. Unless the bearings are bad in it. The auto tensioner definitely you wanna get. That's what 23 is called.
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One tensioner puts pressure one the balance belt and timing belt. Its called a hydraulic auto tensioner. Should definitely be replaced. . Probably dont need a new seal retainer. Is metal and just sits there bolted in. Looks like you got everything else.

The balance shaft seal retainer only came in 99-01 models. This was not a 97-98 included part, which is why those years have the more common occurrence of the seal backing out.

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I'm sorry to resurrect this thread but please help.

I am about to order all these parts, however, a guy at Majestic is saying I need to replace the parts in illustration #23 and #18 in the following diagram...

Honda Automotive Parts

I know #23 is the tensioner which is included in the Timing Belt Kit (06144-P13-305). However, no one has mentioned requiring part #18, which is very expensive...

Can anyone confirm they also replaced part #18 when they do their standard timing belt job? If I need to order it I will...just thought the one tensioner was required...

Thanks.
I've reused 18 on numerous occasions - not an issue unless yours is rusted or noisy. Always check for play with anything pulley/bearing related.



You should list exactly what's in the "kit" for future reference
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Re: 1998 SH Timing Belt - Expert Advice Needed

Ok thanks...

I'm taking it to the Honda dealership so unfortunately I won't have the luxury to evaluate...

Thanks for the tips. I guess I'll roll the dice and NOT get that pulley...
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