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Short Shifter

I was just wondering which short shifter you guys recommend.
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Well only 2 different True Short Shifters have ever been produced for the 5th gen. The Lean-Racing, (been out of production for years now, I own one) and the P-SPEC (the owner is a dill hole). He still makes them from time to time and has them foresale on his site.

4-Bidden is supposed to have one come out sometime in the future. There has been alot of talk on H-T about it.

DO NOT get the stupid short shift adapter. I have had a couple friends with them. They ended up with problems by having it in there car.

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I got a P-SPEC shifter. its good for what it is. not a big fan of short shifters anymore.
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Glad this thread came back up.
2 prototypes of the Forbidden shifter for the 5th gen have been made. They're in their trial right now. Look for the production shifter very soon.
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I got a P-SPEC shifter. its good for what it is. not a big fan of short shifters anymore.
do u have a parts review thread, i been lookin into this shortshifter...
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no parts review thread from me. i hear they are pretty rare to come by now. if your interested i might sell you mine.
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Glad this thread came back up.
2 prototypes of the Forbidden shifter for the 5th gen have been made. They're in their trial right now. Look for the production shifter very soon.

Is gonna be awhile and I do believe the prototypes have yet to be tested as they are not finished.

It won't probably be until sometime either Feb. or March for a release at the earliest sorry to say. Probably a llittle longer.

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DO NOT get the stupid short shift adapter. I have had a couple friends with them. They ended up with problems by having it in there car.

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I have looked at the short shift adapters and it looks like they simply move the leverage point of the cable higher up on the lever. I know they require trimming around the shift boot area of the console for clearance, but other than that what what's the real difference? All a short shifter does is change the leverage ratio, just like an adapter would do. So given an adapter that reduces throw by 30% and a shift lever that reduces throw by 30% what does a $200 shift lever really buy me?
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I have looked at the short shift adapters and it looks like they simply move the leverage point of the cable higher up on the lever. I know they require trimming around the shift boot area of the console for clearance, but other than that what what's the real difference? All a short shifter does is change the leverage ratio, just like an adapter would do. So given an adapter that reduces throw by 30% and a shift lever that reduces throw by 30% what does a $200 shift lever really buy me?
u got it confused, the adapter for a prelude is barely 30, but these other true short shifters shorten throw up to 60%....huge difference, man.
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u got it confused, the adapter for a prelude is barely 30, but these other true short shifters shorten throw up to 60%....huge difference, man.
From what I read on the specs of the Lean and P-Spec they provide a 30-50% reduction. A portion of the throw reduction results from the shifter itself being shortened. You can shorten a stock shifter by at least 1.5".

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Was this on a 5G prelude? If so, was the shift boot area trimmed as required to clear the shifter?
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From what I read on the specs of the Lean and P-Spec they provide a 30-50% reduction. A portion of the throw reduction results from the shifter itself being shortened. You can shorten a stock shifter by at least 1.5".



Was this on a 5G prelude? If so, was the shift boot area trimmed as required to clear the shifter?
Have fun. Cut your shifter. Get an adapter and have fun with the problems to come.

That is all I have to say. If you don't want to take the advice of those who have seen the problems with them that is fine.

Adapters are crap, period.

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Have fun. Cut your shifter. Get an adapter and have fun with the problems to come.

That is all I have to say. If you don't want to take the advice of those who have seen the problems with them that is fine.

Adapters are crap, period.

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Dont get your panties in a wad! I simply wanted a more technical explaination other than because I say so. So do any of these apply?

1) The adapters break and fall off.

-or-

2)The adapters create a bind in the cable, therefore shifting is more difficult.

-or-

3) The adapters are so large you cannot fit them under the console regardless of how you trim the boot holder.

-or-

4) A purpose built short shifter works better because ____________. (you fill in the blanks)

-or-

4) An adapter will not work because ______________. (you fill in the blanks)


Short shifters are all about changing leverage ratios and making a tradeoff between lever travel and effort. It's basic physics; I am not convinced that a purpose built lever does the job any more effciently than a properly installed adapter and stock lever would. You said nothing to convince me otherwise.

The question was nothing personal, I was just looking for a logical, informed answer.
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Dont get your panties in a wad! I simply wanted a more technical explaination other than because I say so. So do any of these apply?

1) The adapters break and fall off.

-or-

2)The adapters create a bind in the cable, therefore shifting is more difficult.

-or-

3) The adapters are so large you cannot fit them under the console regardless of how you trim the boot holder.

-or-

4) A purpose built short shifter works better because ____________. (you fill in the blanks)

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4) An adapter will not work because ______________. (you fill in the blanks)


Short shifters are all about changing leverage ratios and making a tradeoff between lever travel and effort. It's basic physics; I am not convinced that a purpose built lever does the job any more effciently than a properly installed adapter and stock lever would. You said nothing to convince me otherwise.

The question was nothing personal, I was just looking for a logical, informed answer.
Since my panties are in a wad, yourself and find your own answers. Alll the reasons have been talked about before in other threads. Search for them and you will find the answers.

Then you will have all the knowledge you search for.

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Since my panties are in a wad, yourself and find your own answers. Alll the reasons have been talked about before in other threads. Search for them and you will find the answers.

Then you will have all the knowledge you search for.

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I had already searched and found no definitive answers. After seeing this thread I thought you might be more knowledgeable, that's why I posed the original question.

No worry, I'll figure it out.
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You've got that right! The very reason I seldom bother to post. I'll be civil and leave it at that.

I found good technical how-to's on the North Texas Prelude Owners Group site that shows an adapter install and lever shortening. I'll ante up the $35 and give it a try.

I may be a noob to Preludes but I have installed SS kits into my current M3, 2 Porsches (911 & 944S2), and even a VW bug. The Honda's cable shifter system is simple by comparision and that's why I think an adapter might work.

I'll try it out and post my impressions in a few weeks.
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You've got that right! The very reason I seldom bother to post. I'll be civil and leave it at that.

I found good technical how-to's on the North Texas Prelude Owners Group site that shows an adapter install and lever shortening. I'll ante up the $35 and give it a try.

I may be a noob to Preludes but I have installed SS kits into my current M3, 2 Porsches (911 & 944S2), and even a VW bug. The Honda's cable shifter system is simple by comparision and that's why I think an adapter might work.

I'll try it out and post my impressions in a few weeks.
Sorry for my response but don't ever tell me mt panties are in a wad. I wear a thong so it is impossible. lol I have had a bad month and thing set me off. I did myself.

Well the thread was about actual short shifters. Not adapters. Sorry but I like to keep things on topic. If you have a questions about adapters, make a new thread so when people search it makes it easier.

I have seen the adapter break off the stock cable mount to the shaft on a couple shifters on a couple cars. Also you have to trim up the console. That is never good. True short shifters have a lower knob height as well. I could go on and on, but as I said I am having a bad month and am the Grinch before X-mas.

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I am sorry for that post and it was very uncalled for on my behalf.

Things have been setting me off lately (Pantie comment, I wear a thong, get it right, lol) and I have had a bad month. Just today alone, I have been warned on 2 different Civic sites for some of my replies on their forums.

I have not been posting much anywhere, (different web sites) and when I have I have been a prick. Most people I think will tell you I am not that way.

I am sorry to have come off that way to you though.

Please accept my apology. I am sorry for being an ass to you.

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And to all you, I am sorry for what I had previously typed. If you know me it does not represent how I generally am and have been.

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Sorry for my response but don't ever tell me mt panties are in a wad. I wear a thong so it is impossible. lol I have had a bad month and thing set me off. I did myself.

Well the thread was about actual short shifters. Not adapters. Sorry but I like to keep things on topic. If you have a questions about adapters, make a new thread so when people search it makes it easier.

I have seen the adapter break off the stock cable mount to the shaft on a couple shifters on a couple cars. Also you have to trim up the console. That is never good. True short shifters have a lower knob height as well. I could go on and on, but as I said I am having a bad month and am the Grinch before X-mas.

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Apologies accepted. No real harm done.

You are a good man for acknowledging and correcting the problem.

By the way, I consider your car as the definitive example of a tastefully modified Prelude.

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^ tis true. great looking prelude.

I have a dc short shift adapter. no binding, no breaking, no problem.
True it's not quite as good as a true SS, but not a bad mod for $40.
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i have an adapter in my 4th gen. no good. my friends bone stock eclipse has a much easyer and shorter throw!

im goin 4biden ftw!
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