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Old 08-23-2014, 01:52 PM
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h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

IV got a 2000 prelude base, had the h22a4 and a 5 speed tranny with 160k. But from my stupidity I bombed the engine with a mix of oil starvation and my driving habits. Now I'm in the process of swapping a blue top (10.6:1) jdm h23 vtec into my car. No not a Frankenstein, a factory h23 vtec engine, basically a h22 with a h23 95mm stroke crank and one off pistons. Ordered my motor from jdm tiger Japanese, I know its a hit and miss company and most of there engines come from wrecked cars but every engine is compression tested, I get a 30 day warranty, and the price is right, at $789.62 after shipping. Now they happen to send me a couple pictures of the engine and I noticed the intake has no logos on the top, and after reading this thread on the Honda tech forms,

honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2341343&styleid=18

I now believe my new engine has a euro r head and intake, they also told me it was a 2000-2001 model year engine and according to the Honda tech discussion posted above, those years were equipped with the pde coded euro r head.

So, is this a gold mine or a pyramid scheme?

Now for some things I don't quite understand, IV been told different things by different people and I want some better answers.
1) will the new engine run on the old h22 ecu?
2) will I need to swap all the sensors from my old h22 to the new h23?
3) any idea to what kind of power this engine is putting out?

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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

If you go that route...use the bolts from your existing tranny in the order they came out to hold the engine to the stand!!!!!!!!
You will need lots of washers or some kinda rigid sleeve betwwen the bolt head and the stands mounting points.

Answers to question 1 and 2 are yes.

We're doing one. It's on hold because I did not use the H22 tranny bolts like I stated above.

Also have a 10x1.00 tap and dye available in case your fly wheel bolt threads in the H23 crank are screwed up. You will be using the H22 bolts to attach the flywheel most likely and not the ones from the H23. The 22 bolts are longer to accomodate the flywheel. The 23 bolts are shorter because of the thickness of the auto tranny pressure plate is thinner than a flywheel.
If you use a lighter flywheel the H22 F1 won't work. Go with a competition or a Fidenza.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Thanks bykfixer, I did not think about the length of the bolts before.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

I'm planning to use a stage one exedy clutch and fidanza 11.5lb flywheel, been reading write ups on different setups and it sounds like the 11.5 is the most streetable while still increasing performance, I hear the 8lb aluminum flywheel makes normal daily driving a chore.

Another question I meant to ask is if the pde head / IM and p13 head / pgm-fi IM use the same sensors in the same locations. I know the iacv is on the back of the plenum instead of the front but is that the only difference? And if they are too different will it noticably affect the performance of the car by swapping the old h22 upper IM onto the h23 for ease of wiring?
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Use the H22 IM. do an EGR and EGR port cleaning on the manifold.


Good choice on the 11.5lb findanza, I have one and love it. The friction surface is replaceable on the findanza if you keep it for a while.

You'll need to swap on the crank position sensor, and you'll need an H22 oil pump. youll also need the balance shaft gear from the H22 as it has the magnetic pickups for the cps. unless you plan on running the JDM distributor, but you'll need the rywire adapter for that.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Ok thanks for the extra info. Why do I need to use the h22 oil pump? And does that mean I need to swap the h22 distributor onto the h23? Assuming the h23 has a jdm distributor like you say. Or where would I find the adapter for the jdm distributor?
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Ok I found the distributor adapters on jhpusa.com, I would need a obd2 8 pin (vehicle) to obd2 10 pin (distributor), correct?
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

We swapped on the H22 distributor.
Oil pump swap for the same reason as the balance shaft gear.

If OGS says tie a rubber band around it go buy some rubber bands.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Point taken. Thanks guys, lots of great advice. I think I will just swap the distributor and balance shaft to save a couple bucks on the adapter. And I will reuse the oil pump from my old h22, or should I just buy a new one? Trying to keep cost down but I guess if spending more now will save money in the future I will just buy a damn oil pump
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Is LSD worth the $? Can't say IV ever driven a lude with LSD to compare to mine

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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

My son re-used his if I'm not mistaken because it was practicaly new.

Best to replace a lot of stuff that'll be a pita once the motor is in the car like oil cooler hoses, heater hoses, clutch cylinders etc.

LSD is great tech, but can be really complicated to get all those wedges correctly installed.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Alright. Ordered my clutch kit, flywheel, an aluminum cam seal, distributor o-ring, valve cover gaskets, oil pan gasket, and an oil pump gasket. My engine should be delivered tomorrow. Still in the process of pulling the old engine. Trying to pull the axles now but I'm having trouble getting the castle nuts off the bottom ball joints without an impact, busted my 3/8 drive ratchet last night and got pissed and quit for the night. Is there an easier way? Or should I get some pb blaster and borrow an impact?
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

I'd be a little hesitant to reuse an oil pump from a motor that failed due to oil starvation. Honda oil pump failure isn't too super common but it can happen. Nothing should have made its way past the oil pickup, but I honestly wouldn't feel comfortable.

price the distributor adapter vs. a new oil pump. decide for yourself which is best for your situation.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

So if I get the distributor adapter I don't need to swap the cps, balancer shaft gear, or use an h22 oil pump? I think I will go that route. Thanks ogs
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PB blaster, (good) 1/2" 6pt socket, (good) 1/2" breaker bar, 4-6' of pipe. The main thing is remain at a true right angle to the ball joint stud when pulling on the 4-6' pipe so the socket does not twist off from incomplete contact with the castle nut. It that occurs and you 'strip' it, a dremel and grinder disc will cut the castle nut. Cut it on opposite sides and it falls right off.
A nut cracker tool from advance etc is a waste of $12-15 for that application. It won't seat proper so you ruin the tool and the castle nut.

Oh, and always use a breaker bar for stuck bolts. Keeps you from destroying good wratchets and injuring your wrist(s). Nothing more annoying than getting far along in your project and have your strength reduced by nagging tendonitis
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Thanks byk and ogs for all the help. +REP
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I'm sharing what I learned from my son Elspectro, OGS and member Wings8806 who are doing what you are.
Now the castle nut I speak from actual experience.
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Hopefully it becomes a more common swap and information is more widely known, there is alot of incorrect info out there if you just skim through some threads from a google search. And more common = more desirable =more valuable! Maybe I could actually get my money back out of the car one day.
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Luke, I hate to disappoint ya, but you aint likely to get your money back someday. So just enjoy the car that rides like a Lincoln, handles like a Porsche and costs a little as a Honda.

Threads? Anything you read at Prelude Central can be taken as truth.
http://preludecentral.com/index.php/topic,959.0.html
^^Page 2 has 'the what you'll need' list.
It's my sons car thread. But other threads there showcase some amazing cars not seen anywhere else.

Not much traffic over there. But if you like learning, that place is a gold mine. It's uncluttered and easy to navigate. Check it out.
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I really need to update that list... i know there were some small odds and ends I missed.
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Nice! Thanks yosh.
It's a great site.

Oh btw Luke, thanx for the rep. Do you have plans for a members ride thread? Let's see that car man.
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Whudah-ya-say you make this the official 100% correct info thread.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Next time I'm near a computer I will post some pictures of my car and my progress with the build, my phone won't do it for one reason or another
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

I did get my new clutch and flywheel in the mail yesterday, unboxing brand new parts is sooo nice
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Unboxing parts is fun. Trouble is it can become habit forming. Big heavy boxes are my favorite. Once I had a box that costed over $400 and a quart of gatorade wouldn't fit in it, nor did it weigh very much. Mugen and jdm stuff adds up quick.

The site doesn't play nice with mobile devices in some regards. It's a cpu site. It'll let you attach pix to your profile, avatar and signature from your mobile device though. Weird.

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I added it to show a quick and inexpensive way to fix that cracked front motor mount. Yours might be fine. If not a tube of windo weld urethane placed in the gap with a caulk gun will get your mount fixed right up. OGS showed me how. A zip tie for each side is best. Let it cure a few days. I used a plastic spoon as a trowel.
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welcome to site Carl
...is a golden car fax kinda like a golden ticket? Sure hope willy wonka didn't put any snozberries in your motor.
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Only seen the first one, 15 years ago in theaters. Plan on keeping it that way. Get off my lawn.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Ok that makes sense, I saw the bar to download from another webpage but didn't know how to do it, thanks. I think my front motor mount is good but I'm not sure yet, haven't inspected it yet
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

A 25" harbor freight breaker bar and a good 19mm socket did the trick, I had a pipe too but I didn't need to use it. Now I'm off to borrow a ball joint fork
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Made a new thread on central with an updated list. will finish some other time...
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Re: h23 vtec swapping my 2000 prelude

Got the castle nuts off no problem, didn't even use the pipe. Pulled the axles out of the tranny, passenger side was easy, driver side was a bitch. Unplugged some more wires, disconnected shifter cables, pulled the hydraulic line going to the slave cylinder. Its pretty much ready to be pulled. Sounds like I'm gonna be pressure washing my engine bay monday
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