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Hi guys I'm hoping someone here can help me out. I picked up a nonrunning (that runs) base model that had what appears to be a common issue with the crank bolt coming loose. It wore the inside of the pulley and boogered up the keyway in the crank. Most of the damage looks to be from the outside edge of the timing belt pulley out. The od of the crank measures the same all around so I had a idea.
I'm wondering if anyone has tried to weld material back in the key way then grind it to dimension while the engine is still in the car? This would just have to last long enough to put a few miles on it to see if anything else on the car needs replaced.

Looks like a aftermarket pulley from 92-96 h22 is the cheapest route to go on what may be a sacrificial pulley. Will this fit a 97 other than belts not aligning? Alternator is all I'd be worried about.

What is the easiest way to pull these engines? With the tranny or split them? Out the top or out the bottom? If a guy didn't want to turbo or otherwise mod a engine what direction would be best(easiest), rebuild h22a4, find a jdm h22 or something else?

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The crank can be repaired while still in the motor, but you need to find someone who really knows what they're doing, because too much heat while welding and warp the crankshaft, then you're really SoL.

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Looks like a aftermarket pulley from 92-96 h22 is the cheapest route to go on what may be a sacrificial pulley. Will this fit a 97 other than belts not aligning? Alternator is all I'd be worried about.
Do not use an aftermarket crankshaft pulley on these motors. Just don't. OEM and OEM only.

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I always separated the tranny from the block, dropped the tranny out the bottom, then pull the motor out the top. I did it that way due to limited amounts of equipment, but if you can get it up on a lift, I'd imagine pulling everything out from the bottom would be easier.
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We just pulled one from the top with tranny and motor connected.

The tricky part (because we didn't have a leveler bar) was lift some starting out level, set wood under as applicable, lower it onto said wood, switch chain bias slightly to lift the driver side some. First is to keep it from setting back onto the rear motor mount. Lift some more, set back on wood to allow chain bias to be even more to the driver side. When you have it away from the mounts, the motor will be 'plucked' at about a 45- 60 degree angle. Then lift away.



^^ from level angled lift begins.


^^ wood stops it while adjusting chains.



^^ that's your final angle.



^^ lower onto wood.
If you are working on simple stuff, set it on a tire or something.
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^^ 4 wheel stand. 1000# type.


^^ when placing stress on the engine, rehang it.
We re-attached the engine crane when pulling on really tight bolts like the crank pulley, intake etc.

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I only have a miller 140 mig but it burns. With this on the car I can't see a proper way to fix it unless I pull the belts and balance & timing pulleys. The keyway is fine under these. I have it all set up to weld and will be adding metal to the outside 1/4-3/8" of the keyway. I'm hoping that and some jb weld or something will help support it for my purposes. If everything works I'll do the job correctly later.

Thanks for the info on yanking the engine. I have a stand and planned to make a leveling bar. I haven't pulled a engine for years but those are just too handy.

Can anyone confirm the crank bolt thread is a m16 x 1.5? I have to order a tap in the morning. Have a bolt, key and pulley on the way.

Where does one find a pdf manual for these? All the links I've checked are down.

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Can anyone confirm the crank bolt thread is a m16 x 1.5? I have to order a tap in the morning. Have a bolt, key and pulley on the way.
Factory Service Manual states that it is 14 x 1.25mm. Majestic Honda says that bolt is 16 x 49. I've never really understood bolt sizes...probably something I should look into learning. Hope that is somewhat helpful.
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Factory Service Manual states that it is 14 x 1.25mm. Majestic Honda says that bolt is 16 x 49. I've never really understood bolt sizes...probably something I should look into learning. Hope that is somewhat helpful.
Not for a h22a4. I know it's 16mm just not sure on pitch. I have taps and dies up to m14.
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Not for a h22a4. I know it's 16mm just not sure on pitch. I have taps and dies up to m14.
It's the same for H22A1 and H22A4, just checked on multiple parts sites.
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It's the same for H22A1 and H22A4, just checked on multiple parts sites.
Mines definitely a m16 and not a m14. The 16 in "BOLT-WASHER (16X49)
Part Number: 90017-RJA-003" designates it as 16mm also.
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That's why I was confused. Why does one say "14 x 1.25mm" and the other just says "16 x 49?" You seem to understand better than I do, care to explain?
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That's why I was confused. Why does one say "14 x 1.25mm" and the other just says "16 x 49?" You seem to understand better than I do, care to explain?
Not really much to explain. In the parts description they give rough dimension kinda like the woodruff key says 4.5x38.5. Dimensionally my bolt is a 16mm I just can't find my pitch gauge so asked here. I know it's fine and looks like 1.5 pitch but may be 1.0. Like fitting a 3" rod in a 2" hole this doesn't fit a m14x1.5 die. If it was a bolt I could chuck it up and cut the threads on my lathe.
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I know it's fine and looks like 1.5 pitch but may be 1.0.
Is the 1.25mm it states in the FSM the pitch, maybe?
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Is the 1.25mm it states in the FSM the pitch, maybe?
Yes and that would be a medium fine pitch for m14. link
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So you got your answer then?
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No. I still don't know the pitch and it sure isn't 49. When I find out I'll report back I guess. It's either 1.5 or 1.0.
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Why does it say 1.25 in the FSM then? Maybe I'm just too tired to understand lol.
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Info is wrong(It does happen). Maybe it's two versions like the 50 & 55mm deal with the mains. All I know is if it's m14 you can have my lude and I'll pay shipping.

I do have a nice bridge for the key now but using flux core wire it has voids. I'll get pics up so yall can laugh tomorrow.

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Hate to over simplify, but can you try other bolts? From say a junkyard car?

Didn't 'pitch' the crank bolt from my son's H22 crank bolt. But at a glance it seemed same as motor to tranny bolts, alternator bracket to block etc, which are pretty fine pitched.
Agreed it's hard to spot if it's 1 or 1.5 by eye.

My fsm said the big ole bolt that holds the wheel on is 25mm. Used a 36mm socket to remove it and calipers show the axle is 32mm. Where they got 25mm from I dunno, but someday I'll use that 25 socket I bought I suppose.

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I need to chase the threads in the crank. But ya I looked for bolts also to do the slot trick since I'm having no luck finding a tap other than the course m16x2.0. I do now have a pulley , bolt and key.
For people that order honda stuff online check your local dealer. The honda dealer I used to work at blows every online place I've found out of the water on prices and I don't have to pay shipping. Better yet it keeps locals employed and usually next day.

On the plus side 1" is 25.4mm so that socket might pull double duty. Reminds me of a nikota or some such brand 35mm socket I found on the shelf at biglots about 15 years ago. I've yet to use it but it was 2 or 3 bucks so why not.
Misprinted torque specs are another to watch. I usually break out the handbook if it seems odd.

I'll be sure to look him up. I dl'd it but haven't had time to look at it yet.

Edit. Confirmed it's a m16x1.5 h22a4 crank pulley bolt. Have all parts and tools just need sleep and will get back to it. I'm going to vtec so hard my stock exhaust will sound like a fart can.

One last part I need for now is a fully functional never white face gauge instrument cluster for a 5spd. Some glued these non working pos white faces on and screwed up a otherwise nice panel.

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Ugh. That is a bummer about the gauge faces. Well at least you got everything figured out.
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Not everything. Have to test and make sure everything else is in order then see what I want to do with the engine. Not wanting any real mods. Hell may get rid of the aem intake for stock. I know on my old lude a jdm header,decent exhaust and some intake mods helped more than most after market unless you started changing things like swapping the head and boosting but that was a b20a5.

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Stock intake with a K&N filter makes more power than those $250 AEM intakes anyway. :)
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Stock intake with a K&N filter makes more power than those $250 AEM intakes anyway. :)
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What do you have against K&N?
The price and lets way too much dust in. Thier oil filters aren't very good either stick with wix or napa gold(wix). If i wanted to oil a filter and wash it i'd make a foam filter. If you have a bike napa is a good place to get air and oil filters also.

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Re: Another loose crank bolt

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Too much dust? You live in the desert or something? Drive on gravel roads or construction sites? Just kidding bro.

K&N breathes way better than the Honda filter.
And it's washable.

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Re: Another loose crank bolt

Well after some grinding and hours hand filing I have all but 3mm or so of the key way fixed. Now I just have to figure out what's up with the idle surging. Battery is shot and didn't have alternator going so that may have something to do with it.










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