Honda Prelude Forum
 
Go Back   Honda Prelude Forum > Tech-Talk > 5th Gen Honda Prelude

Thread Title
Cylinder 3 misfire

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-14-2014, 11:08 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Cylinder 3 misfire

Yesterday morning my car shuttered then my check engine light started flashing. I checked the code and found that it was a Cylinder 3 misfire. I also saw my coolant overflow was low. My car hasn't run hot at all. I replaced my radiator hose a few weeks ago due to it leaking. Last night I ran my car and it idled fine and no check engine light. I started to drive home and it shuttered and the light started flashing again so I had a friend tow it home. Today I inspected it and when I was checking my spark plug in cylinder 3 I found that it has a milky substance on it. It was not on any of the other ones. After further inspection I found my valve cover gasket is slipping out so I planned on replacing that tomorrow. I'm seeing mixed info regarding the milky substance. Will replacing the gasket and spark plugs fix my issues or is this more involved? I don't have smoke or overheating so I don't believe it's my head gasket but I'm new to all this.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 10:19 AM
wing8806's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,053
iTrader: (0)
wing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Start troubleshooting.


Check:

sparkplugs
sparkplug wires
inspect cap/rotor

Any other codes?

clean the egr valve - you may not have a egr code at this point but it could be right around the corner.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 10:55 AM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

I did all that yesterday and went ahead and replaced the spark plugs and am waiting for my gasket to come. I've had mixed suggestions as to it being water damage or a blown head gasket. I will check the egr though.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 10:56 AM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

No just the one code
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 11:58 AM
TypeT's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Kuopio, Finland
Posts: 3,839
iTrader: (0)
TypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these parts
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

clean injectors
__________________
Honda Prelude 1997 2.2 VTI

...meanwhile in Finland http://www.preludezone.com/members-r...7-2-2-vti.html
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 01:38 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

What's the chances that it's a blown head gasket? This is my first attempt at doing any repairs myself but I'm determined to prove that a girl can work on their own car!!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 02:08 PM
TypeT's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Kuopio, Finland
Posts: 3,839
iTrader: (0)
TypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these parts
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Automotive Tips: Five Signs of a Blown Head Gasket - Yahoo Voices - voices.yahoo.com
__________________
Honda Prelude 1997 2.2 VTI

...meanwhile in Finland http://www.preludezone.com/members-r...7-2-2-vti.html
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 02:44 PM
wing8806's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,053
iTrader: (0)
wing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

A misfire doesn't mean a bad head gasket. Unless you clearly have coolant in your oil when you drain it or a drastic loss of power...
Compression and leakdown tests would help verify a bad head gasket as well. How many miles are on the car?


There are many things that can cause a misfire, slow road to troubleshooting.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 02:44 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Thanks. Def not the head gasket. I replaced my spark plugs and will be replacing my valve cover gasket this week. I guess then I will just drive it nearby to see how it runs since it doesnt act up idling. Just driving.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 02:51 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

When I checked the spark plug in cylinder 3 there was a milky residue on it. I am constantly filling my coolant so I was concerned that the 2 were linked together. Ive had a blown head gasket in another car and I remember having the symptoms. Im worried about where my coolant is going and what the milky substance was. I was told that with a leaking vc gasket water could have gotten into it then I washed my engine and that would have caused that which would have caused my misfire. I have 152k miles
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 03:52 PM
wing8806's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,053
iTrader: (0)
wing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Milky residue could indeed be coolant mixing with the oil. Which would lead to a bad head gasket.


Constant refilling the coolant is not a good sign. Drain the oil and check the fluid for that same milky substance.



Moisture getting into the sparkplug area isn't good, you need to look around for any coolant leaks and do a compression/leakdown test as well as drain the oil looking for coolant.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 04:09 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

I am not familiar with a compression test. What is involved with that and what will that tell me?
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 05:31 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Yea a compression test may help to determine wats the compression in #3 oppose to the other cylinders so u might get a answer there. Deff bring it to a mechanic for that, I'm sure that would b a cheap job since all they do is attach a hose into the cylinder where the spark plug goes and crank the engine to see wats up. After the coolant hose was replaced was the system bled? Coolant and oil makes that milky substance and it sux to see that. Pull the oil dipstick and see if it's an oil color or a chocolate milk color lol. Or unscrew the oil cap and see if their is that substance on the bottom of the cap. my other car blew the head gasket and when I would start it it would shoot out white thick smoke for a good 5 minutes then it would go away, the most embarrassing thing ever. Whenever I would leave work I would hate to start my car cause ppl would look at me and see the white smoke, guess that was coolant being burned till the engine warmed up. That car was a p.o.s. Mazda protege
__________________
SH BB6 99

Last edited by 5ThGeaRedLined; 06-15-2014 at 05:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 05:47 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

No I did not bleed the system when I replaced the hose. I wasnt sure if I needed to. I was at a friends house an hour from home so I just needed to do something to make it hold coolant. No the oil on my dipstick is normal and so it the oil when I open the cap. The only place where there was a milky substance was in that cylinder. No smoke when I run my car either. My oil pan was replaced last week and there was nothing out of the ordinary with that either. Im hoping that I fixed the misfire but I wouldnt know until I drive it
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 08:32 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

I think the coolant system should b fine if u didn't bleed it. When I replaced my radiator I didn't bleed the system and it was fine. with u loosing coolant has me have mixed feelings, either the engine is burning such a small amount of coolant or their is a leak somewhere else maybe. if moisture gets underneath the v/c gasket that can cause the milky color oil so we are all having our fingers crossed with that being the problem. Please replace the spark plug tube gaskets when u replace the valve cover gasket. if u don't oil gets passed the tube gasket and goes down into the tube and rests on the spark plugs, happened to me. that's real good that u answered no on all the questions I asked you lol
__________________
SH BB6 99

Last edited by 5ThGeaRedLined; 06-15-2014 at 08:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 08:45 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Spark plugs have already been done. Now I am just waiting on the vc gasket to do that later this week. Then an oil change and hopefully Im good
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 08:55 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

it might be indeed the valve cover gasket. when u take the valve cover off just replace the spark plug tube gaskets that go under the valve cover. get oem ones. super simple job wit the cover off the engine. they look like little doughnuts lol
__________________
SH BB6 99
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:00 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Easy enough!! I need to switch out this crap intake I have for one that wont be so low to the ground
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:06 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

cold air intakes r a pain in the arse lol. just use a ram air or many ppl call em hot air intakes but I have had mine for 7 years and I think I rather suck up warm air then water one day even tho their is a bypass filter rite b4 the intake manifold.
__________________
SH BB6 99
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:13 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Exactly!! Hot air is better than water!! Plus who wants to take off a bumper to get to a filter???
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:21 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

touché lol. I had to take my bumper off to install my halos, that sucked lol but well worth the look at nite.
__________________
SH BB6 99
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:29 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Oh thats cool!!! I hate anything that involves taking the bumper off
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:45 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

yea change ur intake, never have to worry about rain ever again lol.
__________________
SH BB6 99
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 09:54 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Yeah its just not in my budget atm. I have 2 cars and am moving across country soon so Im trying not to spend much now. I want a K&N since I had that on my other prelude
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 06-15-2014, 11:34 PM
5ThGeaRedLined's Avatar
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
Posts: 166
iTrader: (0)
5ThGeaRedLined is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

I think the spark plug tube seals r shot. I have a feeling that oil seaped down the tube and pooled at the bottom then some moisture got down their too and bam u got chocolate milk lmao. Check for cracks on cylinder #3 spark plug wire that goes into the tube, u should hear a suction sound when u press down to make the seal. I saw the pic that u posted and the oil/I hope water was around the tube, I think this is what's happening. Nice lude btw, red was my first choice but I went for the silver blue metallic.
__________________
SH BB6 99

Last edited by 5ThGeaRedLined; 06-15-2014 at 11:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 02:19 AM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

It does still have a suction sound and it still seals. I'm curious how bad my bc gasket looks and if that's the problem. Red wasn't my choice. I found this one for cheap and lots if service records. When I had it painted I was going to go with black so I could do pink wheels but I stuck with a different shade of red since it was much cheaper. I def love my car!!
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 03:42 AM
TypeT's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Kuopio, Finland
Posts: 3,839
iTrader: (0)
TypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these parts
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangaroosms View Post
Spark plugs have already been done. Now I am just waiting on the vc gasket to do that later this week. Then an oil change and hopefully Im good
dont get just vc gasket buy whole kit/set

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangaroosms View Post
Exactly!! Hot air is better than water!! Plus who wants to take off a bumper to get to a filter???
its extremely hard to get water there and you dont have to take bumper off to change cai filter
__________________
Honda Prelude 1997 2.2 VTI

...meanwhile in Finland http://www.preludezone.com/members-r...7-2-2-vti.html

Last edited by TypeT; 06-16-2014 at 03:45 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 06:47 AM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Va
Posts: 18
iTrader: (0)
Kangaroosms is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

With my intake I do have to take off my bumper. It sits right behind my bumper.

What kit?
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 08:16 AM
TypeT's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Kuopio, Finland
Posts: 3,839
iTrader: (0)
TypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these partsTypeT is infamous around these parts
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangaroosms View Post
It sits right behind my bumper.
yeah same here

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangaroosms View Post
With my intake I do have to take off my bumper.
but you can just open the inner plastic fender from below so no you dont

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangaroosms View Post
What kit?
number 1
12030-P13-000 GASKET SET, HEAD COVER

__________________
Honda Prelude 1997 2.2 VTI

...meanwhile in Finland http://www.preludezone.com/members-r...7-2-2-vti.html
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 04:47 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Bethlehem, CT
Posts: 64
iTrader: (0)
Flip2 is on a distinguished road
Re: Cylinder 3 misfire

IF the head gasket is gone, pressure will build up in the cooling system.
SO, even after the car has cooled back down, there will be pressure in the cooling system.
Easy check, just takes time for the engine to cool after running.
When gasket gets bad, coolant will turn milky (air in it).
As you found out, bleeding air out of the system is a must…..
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2nd Cylinder Misfire help! eMTy1989 5th Gen Honda Prelude 12 11-13-2011 11:40 AM
Cylinder 4 Misfire trantommyd 5th Gen Honda Prelude 4 05-28-2011 06:06 PM
#2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?! vdubsnkawis 5th Gen Honda Prelude 47 09-12-2010 05:35 PM
#1 cylinder misfire DEFTONES 5th Gen Honda Prelude 16 05-20-2010 03:31 PM
Misfire cylinder #2 Fliperflop 5th Gen Honda Prelude 6 12-15-2009 08:27 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:34 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 © 2011, Crawlability, Inc.
vB.Sponsors


Copyright © 2006-2009 PreludeZone.com All Rights Reserved.