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Old 05-08-2014, 06:26 PM
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looking for more tricks to remove SH axle

so I have been in the process of removing my transmission on my SH, and I am stuck on the good ol' drivers side driveshaft. so far I have tried various crowbars and screwdrivers, sidehammer with an axle popper on the end, every angle I can get too while rotating the axle, hitting it from the top while prying from the bottom, and I can't get it to budge. I have been at it for three days, and finally I am turning to preludezone to see if anybody has anymore tricks! also I have another question, how hard is it to lower and remove the transmission with just regular tire changing floor jacks? is it absolutely necessary to get a transmission jack? thanks in advance.
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I have found it helpful when prying on axles trying to free them, pick up on the axle while I pry on it, especially if it is really hanging down, its kinda more in a bind. Picking up on that first knuckle/joint helps give that snap ring a better shot at popping out.

As far as the trans goes. I have done the base manual and auto trans by hand. The auto was really heavy. I imagine the sh trans may be somewhere between the two in terms of weight, but closer to the base manual. I get the car high enough where I can hug the trans and roll it on my chest and then just push it up on to the engine. Last time I did this job I told my friend its like wrestling a midget in a crawl space lol
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I have found it helpful when prying on axles trying to free them, pick up on the axle while I pry on it, especially if it is really hanging down, its kinda more in a bind. Picking up on that first knuckle/joint helps give that snap ring a better shot at popping out.

As far as the trans goes. I have done the base manual and auto trans by hand. The auto was really heavy. I imagine the sh trans may be somewhere between the two in terms of weight, but closer to the base manual. I get the car high enough where I can hug the trans and roll it on my chest and then just push it up on to the engine. Last time I did this job I told my friend its like wrestling a midget in a crawl space lol
I did try a few times to lift up the joint that goes into the atts while I pry, I'll keep trying some more. what did you to to get the tranny down off the block?
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Re: looking for more tricks to remove SH axle

Mine came off easy as pie. Was it because I had the outer part undone?? I don't remember, but both sides came right off.
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twok, you know any good angles? I tried the pickle fork as well as a crowbar. I guess I just have to keep at it
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I did try a few times to lift up the joint that goes into the atts while I pry, I'll keep trying some more. what did you to to get the tranny down off the block?
To get her down I will take a rag and stick one hand in the hole where the starter was and grab a shifter assembly with my other hand and rock the back of the trans and then just lower it through the bay. This probably isn't best practice for your lower back just saying what I do. If I had to guess that thing weighs between 80-100 pounds? Anyone else have an estimate? I know once its off I can grab it one hand and shuffle across the shop with one, they aren't too heavy just awkward more than anything.

Also look out for those pesky 10mm bolts around the bottom side of the engine. When I pulled my first one I had removed all the 17mm and 14mm head bolts and couldn't break it free for the life of me because I neglected that the smaller bolts actually held the engine and trans together too.

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To get her down I will take a rag and stick one hand in the hole where the starter was and grab a shifter assembly with my other hand and rock the back of the trans and then just lower it through the bay. This probably isn't best practice for your lower back just saying what I do. If I had to guess that thing weighs between 80-100 pounds? Anyone else have an estimate? I know once its off I can grab it one hand and shuffle across the shop with one, they aren't too heavy just awkward more than anything.

Also look out for those pesky 10mm bolts around the bottom side of the engine. When I pulled my first one I had removed all the 17mm and 14mm head bolts and couldn't break it free for the life of me because I neglected that the smaller bolts actually held the engine and trans together too.
so I guess if you say it's possible with one person, two people will make it a piece of cake. cool. and byfixer I have a hardcopy of the fsm.
one more question! (last one for this thread I promise) what do you guys think about the excedy OEM replacement throwout bearing vs OEM throwout? through my research I heard OEM is much better but they are made by the same company, but the people that said the bearing crapped out said it happened within 5000 miles. I replaced the clutch on my last prelude with an excedy stage one, and that bearing was perfect for 10k+ miles before I sold the car. I figure why chance it on a 60 dollar part, but what are your thoughts?
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twok, you know any good angles? I tried the pickle fork as well as a crowbar. I guess I just have to keep at it

No special angle, directly from the bottom. You just gotta have the right size pickle fork. Go rent a set from the auto parts store, and in the set should be one size that's slightly wider than splined end of the axle, but narrower than the wider part so that's what you'll be prying against. You wanna put equal prying pressure on both sides of the axle (3 and 9 o'clock), not one side, than the other side, back'n forth.
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No special angle, directly from the bottom. You just gotta have the right size pickle fork. Go rent a set from the auto parts store, and in the set should be one size that's slightly wider than splined end of the axle, but narrower than the wider part so that's what you'll be prying against. You wanna put equal prying pressure on both sides of the axle (3 and 9 o'clock), not one side, than the other side, back'n forth.
ok, I think I found what your.talking about from Orileys called an axle popper. I'll give that a shot except I am not sure I can get to two sides of the axle right across from the other
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ok, I think I found what your.talking about from Orileys called an axle popper. I'll give that a shot except I am not sure I can get to two sides of the axle right across from the other

Yup that'll work too, I've just always used pickle forks since I own an entire set, but they're the same concept. Looks like there's a coupla diff sizes, so again your gonna hafta find the right one.
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Yup that'll work too, I've just always used pickle forks since I own an entire set, but they're the same concept. Looks like there's a coupla diff sizes, so again your gonna hafta find the right one.
thanks again twok, I'll get back at it
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I bought a ball joint remover online… worked great…substantial where it needs to be…no damage to rubber boots…used air wrench to tighten & pop!
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i got one of those otc popers but made by another company.....works amazing
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I still can't get this stupid axle out and I am on the verge of rolling it to a shop. I can't get the slide hammer in and the pickle fork I have a the same time so how will those forks that twok showed me fit? for those that aren't familiar with the atts the only space I have to pry against the axle is the backside, towards the rear of the car. I wish I would have gotten a base, to take this long for a clutch change is stupid.
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Hey Flyer-
I used a Ball Joint Separator I got from Amazon;
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Fits in there (barely), and pops them right apart…easy! I used an air wrench. Lets you get things real tight without moving everything around. It will get real tight, then pops right off without a fuss. Then the suspension is apart, and the axle will pop right off-again real easily.
Have to admit, this all was news to me when I started my swap. Had only done rear drive cars before that… have to laugh at myself about it…..
There are several ball joint separators out there. The CTA one looked substantial enough, not to break. It was.
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I use a large chisel to get leverage and a hammer.
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Flyer, I just did some axle work and the manual wasn't all that helpful... i appologize for my terse comment.

I used this set and hammer both from sears.
The 3# hammer and the mid sized pickle fork with handle to get the ball joints.
I aimed the fork towards the front of the car. That meant about 6" of swing radius. It took 50-60 good whacks and suddenly... the radial arm was loose. Aim the same way for the lower arm. But if possible have a second hammer backing the arm to lessen the movement. Keep the radial arm attached for less movement also. It probably took 75 good whacks with the lower arm joint. It's akin to nailing a nail into a loose board w/o the radial arm.


^^ the wide fork w/o handle and the 8oz hammer worked as an axle popper. I put the handle on and pryed the axle out of the shaft bearing... in your case the atts.

Now getting the axle out? You've got to wrestle the knuckle, while prying the damper fork away from the arm to fit the axle through the fork teins. I did it alone but it whipped my @$s. If a second person is available, have them manuver the axle as needed while you wrestle the suspension for a more satisfying and less brutal, side cramping, knee bruising experience.



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thanks for ask the responses. the balljoints were no problem to bust free since I wasn't trying to save them. haven't worked on getting that axle out much due to time, still thinking about just towing it to a shop, but I am not comfortable with that idea at all since no one else has ever worked on my car before
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Once the ball joints are off, the axles should be easy. At least that is how it was for me. The axles are held in by round snap rings (Don't replace- reusing them is much easier). A little pressure against the snap ring, and it lets go. Large screw driver, or a pry bar between the axle and the engine- gently pry until it pops out.
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DO NOT RE-USE THE LOCK RING! That's like re-using a crush washer. It's not worth a few seconds of time getting the axle home to risk your axle popping out because you re-used a 35¢ part.

Putting it back... if it gives you trouble it's probably because the splines on the axle don't line up linear to the atts. I pushed mine in by hand until about 95+% and a good whack with a 4ft long 2x4 to the boot popped the ring in place.

I did not like the shape of the new lock ring. Too big around imo. So I took needle nose pliers and made it a tighter circle, and it slid onto the axle spline better than the original shape.

I don't blame you for considering a shop. But when it finally breaks free you'll be sooooo happy!
Is it loose from the outboard side? I used a car jack to hold the outboard end up like big blue was talking about. You can use 2x4' and c-clamps to build a sorta box onto your floor jack to lower the tranny.
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DO NOT RE-USE THE LOCK RING! That's like re-using a crush washer. It's not worth a few seconds of time getting the axle home to risk your axle popping out because you re-used a 35¢ part.

Putting it back... if it gives you trouble it's probably because the splines on the axle don't line up linear to the atts. I pushed mine in by hand until about 95+% and a good whack with a 4ft long 2x4 to the boot popped the ring in place.

I did not like the shape of the new lock ring. Too big around imo. So I took needle nose pliers and made it a tighter circle, and it slid onto the axle spline better than the original shape.

I don't blame you for considering a shop. But when it finally breaks free you'll be sooooo happy!
Is it loose from the outboard side? I used a car jack to hold the outboard end up like big blue was talking about. You can use 2x4' and c-clamps to build a sorta box onto your floor jack to lower the tranny.

I had the 35 cent part theory, too (several dollars, really) and bought the part in the Honda parts catalogue…. ordering that # got me a flat snap ring the axles would NOT slip over! Called my old mechanic in Florida and he laughed at me, and said taking them off was a mistake. He has never seen one fail….hence my advice.
I got some round ones from my local Honda dealer. Parts guy told me they were probably an Accord part, but fit lots of Hondas. Then I filed down the corners of the outer facing ends. THEN the axles went back on. My take is the way I had to splay the snap rings to put them on (Snap On tool, or no) made the part less desirable than if I had reused the originals- if you better with snap rings than me- then go ahead and replace them.
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Re: looking for more tricks to remove SH axle

^^ Wow! Sounds like a lot of hassle for a lock ring.

Mine won't difficult like that.
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Re: looking for more tricks to remove SH axle

I have no idea how you guys are taking it off so simple. I have a brand new CV axle just chilling in my garage because i cant get that drivers axle off. I was prying it with a 5-6ft pry bar at one point... with someone tapping the top of the axle from under the hood. LOL. I'll have to try again with the forks and other tools.
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Re: looking for more tricks to remove SH axle

I laid under the car, used only the fork part of the pickle fork aiming straight up. The fork I used was the widest in a set of three.

I placed the side that paralels the handle (when using one) against the half shaft bearing support. The wedge shaped side was against the axle side. It was held straight up n down.
I had an 8oz short handled hammer that came from an autoparts $5/10 bin. I whacked the pickle fork a few times in an upward direction. I'd say by the 4th or 5th whack the pickle fork had done it's part to drive a wedge between the two and the inboard end was free.

I had removed the out board end from the wheel knuckle already.

The atts may require hitting the fork from a different angle. But short tools should do the trick.
The axle plucker tools I've seen are ok if you have the room. But laying on the ground under my car would not allow much room to swing the hammer.
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DO NOT RE-USE THE LOCK RING! That's like re-using a crush washer. It's not worth a few seconds of time getting the axle home to risk your axle popping out because you re-used a 35¢ part.

Putting it back... if it gives you trouble it's probably because the splines on the axle don't line up linear to the atts. I pushed mine in by hand until about 95+% and a good whack with a 4ft long 2x4 to the boot popped the ring in place.

I did not like the shape of the new lock ring. Too big around imo. So I took needle nose pliers and made it a tighter circle, and it slid onto the axle spline better than the original shape.

I don't blame you for considering a shop. But when it finally breaks free you'll be sooooo happy!
Is it loose from the outboard side? I used a car jack to hold the outboard end up like big blue was talking about. You can use 2x4' and c-clamps to build a sorta box onto your floor jack to lower the tranny.
I was thinking along the same lines to get the tranny on the ground, that and using a cherry picker from the top. I feel like a shop is so sketchy, I don't know what corners they cut or what kind of misc parts they use. but now I am pressed for time plus I don't have more then an hour a day to work on it...


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I laid under the car, used only the fork part of the pickle fork aiming straight up. The fork I used was the widest in a set of three.

I placed the side that paralels the handle (when using one) against the half shaft beaing support. The wedge shaped side was against the axle side. It was held straight up n down.
I had an 8oz short handled hammer that came from an autoparts $5/10 bin. I whacked the pickle fork a few times in an upward direction. I'd say by the 4th or 5th whack the pickle fork had done it's part to drive a wedge between the two and the inboard end was free.

I had removed the out board end from the wheel knuckle already.

The atts may require hitting the fork from a different angle. But short tools should do the trick.
The axle plucker tools I've seen are ok if you have the room. But laying on the ground under my car would not allow much room to swing the hammer.
thank you for your procedure, but yes the atts is in the way, I am looking at it and I was thinking how possible is it to drop everything as a unit? atts, granny, and axles...
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Re: looking for more tricks to remove SH axle

Harbor Freight has tranny jacks for not a lot of dough. I saw they have a 800# capacity unit for less than $100 that is only like 12" high folded down all the way. They have slimmer for like $150...

Now if you remove both outboard joints of the axles from the knuckle, and out of the damper fork teins like you were replacing them, have a jack stand under each axle to stop them from just flopping downwards, sure you could lower the entire assembly... tranny, atts and axles.

Not all shops are the boogie man flyer.
I don't blame you fot being skeptical though. I trust family run shops. Word of mouth is the best way to find a good one.

Like you I did my project an hour at a time. I replaced my half shaft and atts delete plate recently. And did the passenger side axle while at it. Took a lot longer due to inexperience on my part. Sounds like you have experience, but luck is not going your way. Patience and planning got me through my ordeal.

Hope your ordeal goes your way starting.... NOW.
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