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So I recently replaced my clutch master & slave cylinder and it worked out pretty well, over time though, the fluid in the reservoir got dirty, don't know if that has anything to do with it, but its getting increasingly harder to shift into my gears, I need to pump my clutch a couple times before I can even get it into reverse, and first gear is a nightmare, I can't get it into there unless I downshift from second going less than a couple miles per hour, I have a real problem here, the clutch its adjusted all the way to the top by the master cylinder, it has pressure, I don't see what's wrong, shifting is just a pain in the ass now, double clutching is what I'm using for now, any ideas?
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Re: 1st & Reverse hard to shift into

I'm not sure if this trick works with Hondas, but I know it does on LSx cars (Corvettes, Camaros, etc). Use an automotive syringe to suck out all the clutch fluid in the reservoir, and clean the reservoir itself (WITH A LINT-FREE RAG). Refill with clean fluid and drive the car for a day or so. If the fluid is dirty again, repeat the procedure. Eventually, all the dirty fluid will be gone and it should help. If not, have you ever changed your trans fluid? I hear GM Syncromesh works well in Preludes (much better than Honda MTF).

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I'm not sure if this trick works with Hondas, but I know it does on LSx cars (Corvettes, Camaros, etc). Use an automotive syringe to suck out all the clutch fluid in the reservoir, and clean the reservoir itself (WITH A LINT-FREE RAG). Refill with clean fluid and drive the car for a day or so. If the fluid is dirty again, repeat the procedure. Eventually, all the dirty fluid will be gone and it should help. If not, have you ever changed your trans fluid? I hear GM Syncromesh works well in Preludes (much better than Honda MTF).

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So dirty clutch fluid DOES make a difference? I mean why would it be dirty anyway? Where in the system would the filth come from?
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Re: 1st & Reverse hard to shift into

There are seals in the hyrdaulic system, but dust particles from your clutch disk, metal shaving from the transmission... Somehow, it all gets in there. And once the damage is done, no amount of new fluid will help.

For us Corvette guys, dirty clutch fluid will cause the clutch pedal to get stuck to the floor during high RPM shifts.

I would recommend changing your clutch fluid, and your trans fluid too!
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Re: 1st & Reverse hard to shift into

Or you could just save some effort and bleed the whole clutch system, it only takes a few minutes and only requires limited mechanical knowledge. The fluid will eventually get overworked and break down just like brake fluid (it is brake fluid) so it needs to be changed every so often. Pull the cap off the clutch fluid reservoir, if the fluid is dark brown or darker then change it. When I got my 1st gen it hadn't been serviced properly in years and the clutch fluid was like treacle and it had corroded the guts out of both the master and slave cylinders.
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^^ it was like what? Whats treacle?
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Or you could just save some effort and bleed the whole clutch system, it only takes a few minutes and only requires limited mechanical knowledge. The fluid will eventually get overworked and break down just like brake fluid (it is brake fluid) so it needs to be changed every so often. Pull the cap off the clutch fluid reservoir, if the fluid is dark brown or darker then change it. When I got my 1st gen it hadn't been serviced properly in years and the clutch fluid was like treacle and it had corroded the guts out of both the master and slave cylinders.
I've went through almost a whole bottle bleeding the system, no luck:( I think I'm just gonna get a transmission flush, any recommendation to where I should take it? Cheapest/best work?
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^^ it was like what? Whats treacle?
HAHA, oops. I forgot to translate again. Treacle = Molasses.

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The damage might have already been done though, when my master cylinder went the dirty fluid destroyed the seals and allowed fluid to flow from one side of the piston to the other. Eventually it got so bad that when changing gears I only had a few seconds to change gears before the system would lose pressure and release the clutch again.

I can't change back into first unless I am almost completely stopped either, and my clutch/gearbox are fine. I think that was the way Honda designed them.

I hope an oil flush helps your problem, I am having the same issue with my 323 (it has a cable clutch though) and am hoping it's not a failing clutch or a toast synchro or something like that. I haven't got around to fixing it yet since I spend all my money on the 'lude.

I have no idea where you should take it though, my only knowledge of Detroit comes from Hardcore Pawn and 8-mile.
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