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Hello! I'm a newbie here!

Current ride is a 2004 Police Package crown vic - 124,000 on it. It's been a great car, but it's time to move on. I need something that is stylish, reliable, affordable, you know.

I'm in Central NJ and i've been looking to get into something that's sporty, but better on gas / more nimble. I really love the body style of the prelude. It's probably one of my favorite cars

Reading about transmission failure scares me - Thats why I want to get out of my Crown Vic. I don't want to be around when the tranny lunches itself.

For 5th gens, it seems to only be an issue for 97-98. 99-01 had the revised design. How prone are they to failure?

What is a reasonable mileage and price to pay to get into a decent lude? I exchanged a few emails with someone who had a 2001 A/T with 140k but they had the tranny replaced under warranty at 40k. He wants $3,800.00

I spoke to another gentlemen who wanted $9,995 for an 01 manual with 91k. I promptly hung up the phone lol

I can't get a consistent price for these things around here. The first one i mentioned seems in the ball park. I'd probably try and get it for $3,000 and feel like i got a good deal if he sells it to me. But i think $10k is ridiculous. at the end of the day its a 10 year old honda. i just dont see it...maybe it's the whole car market

anyway, enough of my rambling

what do you guys think?
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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

you can find an okay 5speed manual for around 3500. give me the number to the guy who wants 10k for his lude, I wanna sell him mine for 25,000.
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you can find an okay 5speed manual for around 3500. give me the number to the guy who wants 10k for his lude, I wanna sell him mine for 25,000.
I don't know anyone that would pay 10 for your car, let alone 25.....
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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

Kelly Blue Book has them valued a lot less than $10k. But genuine cherry cars can command that kinda loot.
But you seem to want a driver. So avoid the auto if you can. The auto one you mentioned, unless it's a rare 'good one', it's reaching the end of it's problem free life.

Try to find a stock 5 speed base. But in some areas the SH is priced lower because of reputation as being un-mod-able. They are fine unless you want to max out the motor which costs thousands to do in either model, base or SH.

I bought an SH because of the rarity. Somebody ahead of me had removed the SH tranny and atts, so I have an SH motor with it's oil filter located in an easy to change location etc that only the SH block has.
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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

dont get an auto, get 5speed for sure. even if you dont know how to drive 5 speed learn. its beneficial big time. 4K plus or minus would be pretty good. anything around 100K miles obviously would be good
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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

Yes get a five speed. if a prelude automatic transmission hits 7000 rpm more then twice, it's done for. In northern cali its rare to find any prelude under 150k miles. I just bought an sh with 151k for $4200 and that probably couldn't be any more fair. If a stock prelude has over 160k, dont pay over $4-4500. and the less modified, the better. Plus if there isn't hard proof that the timing belt doesn't need to be changed, that's going to set you back another $800- $1000 for a shop to do it. Lots of info is on this site, swim around and welcome!
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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

I bought my 2000 Lude over the summer for just over 4 grand with 160k miles. Would have liked to have found one with lower mileage of course but it was the best one I could find in the area. I would rather have a well maintained car with 160k rather than a beat to hell one with 100k ya know?
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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

So the general consensus for this A/T is that it's made of glass? I thought 99-01 were cured of this?

This guy seems to be the most down to earth out of all the ones I've talked to.
The car has had a new timing belt and water pump, he claims it has good tires and stuff. wants something with AWD
i just don't want to get into it and have the tranny fall out...
like i said he has it listed for 3800, book is 3500. i would say i probably got a good deal if i scooped it for 3000 even, espescially since NJ gets there cut on top :\

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is there any benefit to adding an inline filter at 100k? like you guys said, i need a driver. i would be very unhappy if i had to put a trans in it before 200k

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No, do not buy an automatic Prelude. I would go as far as saying they should never have made automatic Preludes (like the S2K), although the tip-tronic system was quite innovative it just pales in comparison to a true manual trans.

My first 5th gen was an auto and while I loved the car I ended up regretting that it wasn't a manual. I ended up totaling it in a crash and bought another 5th gen, but the second time around I made sure to get a manual and it is so much better - trust me.

I have a 2005 Acura TL that is auto with sport-shift and it gave out on me last year and is sitting in the garage until I can figure out what to do with it. I knew I should've bought a manual TL but the wife wanted an auto and I listened unfortunately. So no, I'm not sure they really figured out how to get these things right. I will never buy another Honda/Acura with sport-shift again.

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Re: Referred to the buying a 5th gen thread - want to discuss it now

The 99-01 got some improvements to the automatic. But I don't think they solved the actual design flaws. There are a whole bunch of accords out there that had the same failures.
Honda botched it. Plain and simple.

Edit:
I keep seeing 'avoid the auto' but other than 'they fail' no other explanation.
So I googled it.
A shop in california gives a breif synopsis.
http://www.transmissionrepairfresno....ionrepair.html

It seems using a secondary cooler helps keeps the the oil temp down better which helps dissipate heat from the friction plates, which are the weak link in the chain. And using Barry Grant (BG) fluid is a help.

An explanation of the typical auto tranny.
http://m.honda-tech.com/showthread.p...594&styleid=18

Honda does not use the planetary gear system like the explantion above mentions. They use a system that's pretty much an automatic manual with syncos instead of the planetary type mesh of gears. This leads to high heat on the friction plates. Hence the design flaw. The stupid internal (read not serviceable) filter didn't help matters. There does not seem to be a solution at this time even though there are literally millions of these type transmissions all over the planet.
For whatever reason this design was a-ok in the 3rd gen trannys, which typically lasted 150-200k easily.

Some folks do an external filter and eliminate the internal when the tranny is rebuilt.

I read where one guy does a complete system flush every other oil change. He dumps in 3 extra quarts, run the engine until 3 old ones come out, dumps in 3 more and repeats. He says it takes 10 quarts to do the 7 quart change. About $100 he says.

Finally it seems highway driving is what kills the tranny. It seems city driving with all those gear changes or quick trips are harmless to the friction plates as there's no time for heat to build.
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Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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I copy/pasted the previous to the 5g fail thread. Hope mods don't mind.



Honda is a very innovative company. They make many quality products. They continue to design and implement numerous ideas.
They have beefed up their auto transmissions to some degree.
But they still use that stupid auto-tragic transmission idea to this day.
C'mon Honda, you've had 17 years to get with it.
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i have a friend selling a boosted 4th gen, he on this site too :)
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4th gen ftw

Btw what part of jersey are you in? I'm in east Brunswick
Check out our jersey prelude club Facebook page, I think someone was selling a 5th gen recently...
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You'll have more fun zipping around through the streets of NJ Ina 5spd. Good luck.
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