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Old 02-06-2014, 01:33 AM
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Skip to next paragraph for problem - Well as some of you know I recently acquired two preludes for a good price. Today some form of karma came from the south as my girlfriends civic (and our commuter) threw codes out of nowhere for speed sensor and now won't even crank, and then my SH started to have a hard time getting the clutch to come up off the floor. It felt exactly like when my slave went out on my first prelude, so I hobbled home and checked things out.
Right away no fluid in the reservoir. I have a receipt dated Jan. 28 2014 for new master and slave cylinders, BUT not oem and done at some repair/junkyard. Anyways I figured maybe a leak elsewhere. checked every inch of line and did not find one. So I decided to bleed the system and see if i could find anything. I bled by pumping the pedal 5 times then pressing and holding to the floor, open and close bleeder valve, and repeat. a little bit of air came out after awhile and then it got to the point where everytime the pedal was depressed, the fluid would go down a tiny bit, and I would get a steady spurt from the bleeder valve for the brief moment it was open. this whole time the slave cylinder valve is not moving at all. After reading twokexlv6coupe thread and finding play in my slave cylinder I thought it was faulty (but I still had a clutch pedal stuck to the floor so i think i was wrong.) Anyways took the one off my h23 and replaced it, same thing. Everytime I open the bleeder valve a good amount of fluid comes out, and I estimate the fluid level goes down as much as what squirts.
So after bleeding for ever, checking every inch of the line and both cylinders, (inside the cabin too) , what is next? I have read numerous other methods of bleeding, but most of the procedures conflict and I'm confused because I do get fluid out of the bleeder everytime, and I can't find any leaks. So that leads me to believe that a piston is bad or something.
If you are still reading, i thank you. I went from having two cars to zero in less then 6 hours and right now I have no idea how I'm getting to work tomorrow. What can I do next to fix my clutch problem?
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This sounds awful. The only things I could suggest would be checking the line for leaks and fluid reservoir... Good luck to you, hopefully someone else more experienced can jump on it and let you know whats up.
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This sounds awful. The only things I could suggest would be checking the line for leaks and fluid reservoir... Good luck to you, hopefully someone else more experienced can jump on it and let you know whats up.
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Re: luck only goes so far

Wait so what happend with the 4th gen? I missed it, only the civic and the 5th gen died I thought.
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Wait so what happend with the 4th gen? I missed it, only the civic and the 5th gen died I thought.
It wasn't running in the first place.
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Re: luck only goes so far

sounds like when my clutch spring destroyed itself.

First i thought it was the slave, then i thought it was the master, the whole pumping for ever, Then i did a self bleeder so i could have a hose attatched to the slave so when fluid would come out it would still suck it back in, that got pressure back for a minute but then it still didnt work. Opened the tranny, bam destroyed clutch disk
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Re: luck only goes so far

When my clutch was on the floor i tried bleeding it as normal. I would get fluid when i bled the line but not a steady flow. I had to unscrew the bleeder nut all the way out to find a piece of debris was in the line. Removed that and began the *bleeding* process again. Bam! Got pressure back in my clutch!
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This morning so far I have tried the method where you put a hose on the bleeder and the other end in fluid, and I went and got a little oil pump and tried to pump it back through the line and out through the master.
No luck.
The thing that stumps me is during the long bleeding process I got a bunch of fluid out and put a bunch of fluid in. That leads me to think I don't have an air leak anywhere. I changed out the slave, and I think I will take the master out if the fourth gen and put it in the fifth.
But even then whatever caused it to fail in the first place is still there, unless it is the master internally. No fluid whatsoever around.the master on both sides of the firewall. Again no leaks all along the line.
I know that its scientificly possible for the master or slave to fail and not leak at all, but how possible it that? And anybody have any other ideas or methods to try?

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WE HAVE PRESSURE!!!
I am still concerned though. when I was bleeding and was getting pressure, the stuff that was spurting out of the valve was milky white. Anybody know what this could be? Years old trapped fluid? I am going to take it for a drive and see how it holds up
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Re: luck only goes so far

I'd just flush out the old fluid for fresh one.
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Milky white? That's disgusting.

Once you have pressure, you should bleed it until the fluid coming out the slave is the same color as what you're pouring into the master; than you know it's all 100% new fluid.
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Re: luck only goes so far

Have someone pumping the clutch pedal as you hold the slave cylinder in. It will build up pressure faster - you will know because the slave will start to fight back and start to push. Then open the bleeder slightly but close it before the clutch pedal goes to the floor.


Takes good communication, and some bickering back and forth.


Discolored fluid more than likely is a bad slave cylinder (since you mentioned it's from the 4th gen).


When changing master cylinders and slave cylinders between cars - always check the rod lengths. Incorrect parts will play hell on your clutch.
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Discolored fluid more than likely is a bad slave cylinder (since you mentioned it's from the 4th gen).


When changing master cylinders and slave cylinders between cars - always check the rod lengths. Incorrect parts will play hell on your clutch.
Well yes the fourth gen (h23) slave is installed, I would like to put the original one back on so I can keep track of wear. Also it is leaking from where the line goes into the slave



Would that tape that you use for plumbing over the threads fix that? Also last time I changed my slave I don't remember it being in two parts, like this is the one that originally came out of the car, its rusty because I chucked it out into the rainy night and didn't care to bring it in
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Teflon tape wouldn't seal a flare nut fitting since the threads don't do the sealing. Flared fittings seal by simply pressing a mating male/female flare together by tightening the nut.

Assuming the nut is 100% tight and still leaking, the flare on the clutch line could be cracked which would suck.
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the flare on the clutch line could be cracked which would suck.
And that would lead to replacing the line I am assuming? I will take it off later and inspect it, thanks for the input
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Yahh, but only back to the clutch dampener (if 5th gen's have one)
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Yes, you can use teflon tape. The seal is made as subie boy said - but threads stretch over time, so the old line could always use at least 1 wrap of teflon.


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Well thats good, and yes the fifth does use a damper, I have heard of bypassing this altogether, what exactly does it do for the system?
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it could possibly be your clutch master cylinder? my pedal went down and didn't come back up after i replaced the master cylinder it was good. although a few weeks later the crappy autozone one is leaking so iv'e been refilling the fluid every so and so and it's been working fine.
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Well thats good, and yes the fifth does use a damper, I have heard of bypassing this altogether, what exactly does it do for the system?
Straight line from the master to the slave. I have done this. The pedal has a different feel to it afterwards, in my opinion you have more feeling as to what the clutch is actually doing/how it's engaging vs not having a good feel with the damper.
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in my opinion you have more feeling as to what the clutch is actually doing/how it's engaging vs not having a good feel with the damper.
I like the sound of that. I'll look into it. Does it increase shifting performance or clutch life or anything?
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