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Alignment Issue

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I'm having alignment problems. So I've gotten my car aligned plenty of times because of my new suspension and then raising the height and the last time (about a month ago) because I got new tires and the shop told me my passenger side inner tie rod was bad along with the torn boot. Before changing that i got a 2 yr alignment service with discount tire. The times of gone there i told them to check if anything needed to be replaced and they said everythong was fine. So I fixed the inner tie rod and I was looking at my front tires and it appears that I'm wearing out my inner tire again!!!!!honestly tired of having alignment problems with this car. So my main questiois what parts affect alignment and what to look for so I can do it myself due to being low on cash? I moved my tires left and right but seems ok. How much play would I feel if there was a problem with any parts there?
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Re: Alignment Issue

For a Prelude front end, the tie rods, the knuckle, and the upper and lower arms all affect alignment. Unless you've bent something, though, I'd suspect issues with the tie rods first, and if not those, then maybe a suspension bushing. Camber isn't adjustable, so most alignment issues come down to poorly adjusted toe, which is primarily set via the tie rods.

Next time you have it looked it, get a print out of the settings -- any reputable shop will provide that.

I just reread your post -- you had the alignment checked, and then replaced a tie rod? I'm betting that's it.
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Re: Alignment Issue

If you're lowered over an inch, expect noticeable inner tire wear without any form of adjustable uca or balljoint.

I also agree with Jamie.
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Re: Alignment Issue

do you have an adjustable upper ball joint to correct camber? toe isn't going to wear out the inner part of your tires. camber will. find a shop that will put it on the alignment machine and let you see where everything sits, inform them that you just want to know where your issues lie so you know what to fix. some shops will set toe and lay a finger on the sensor to correct the camber numbers and make it appear that all is good because they don't either don't want to deal with it, cant fix it, or scared if they give you back a car that isn't within spec, your not going to want to pay for that alignment. if your camber is off, get an adjustable upper ball joint installed and you can get a good bit of camber corrected with that. I fixed a civic that had horrible camber the other day with a simple set of ball joints.
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toe isn't going to wear out the inner part of your tires.
Have to remember, everything in an alignment is interconnected, so toe and caster changes affect camber even when the camber isn't adjustable. I haven't tinkered with Civics much, but Preludes are very, very sensitive to toe settings, and you definitely can wear out the inside of a tire with badly set toe. I've seen it happen on a number of 4th and 5th gen cars especially, and have run into that problem before on my own car -- on a stock suspension -- and the alignment data bears it out.
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Re: Alignment Issue

When I had similar issues and did the research I also took away that toe will affect tire wear more than camber. You should try to post alignment specs as someone else stated. If you can't get the toe within specs you'll want to figure out why.
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For a Prelude front end, the tie rods, the knuckle, and the upper and lower arms all affect alignment. Unless you've bent something, though, I'd suspect issues with the tie rods first, and if not those, then maybe a suspension bushing. Camber isn't adjustable, so most alignment issues come down to poorly adjusted toe, which is primarily set via the tie rods.

Next time you have it looked it, get a print out of the settings -- any reputable shop will provide that.

I just reread your post -- you had the alignment checked, and then replaced a tie rod? I'm betting that's it.
Alright thanks for the info.suspension bushing are definitely good replaced them with polyethylene ones when I put my new suspension in. Will an upper bj help with getting closer or within camber specs? I know we can't put in camber kits in our preludes because of issues with the top hat from area. Every shop seems to think that's the solution but they don't know thy prelude. Haha
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Alignment specs I'll post them when I get a chance. Yeah I did get an alignment before knowing replacing the inner tie rod but as soon as I replaced it(next day) I got it aligned once again. It was way off even after count the thread just because of the differences in the part due to diff manufacturers.

What worries me is that I feel like there is an additional culprit for causing inner toe wear on my pweelude. Without exaggeration it was around a month since I replaced the inner tie rod and got it aligned and I'm pretty sure I'm getting toe wear, I might be just paranoid but I'm pretty sure of it. That's why I'm ruling out having severe camber wear. Plus I raised the pweelude about two fists between the fender and tire due to getting tired of camber, toe and any other kind of wear lol
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If you're lowered over an inch, expect noticeable inner tire wear without any form of adjustable uca or balljoint.

I also agree with Jamie.
Definitely but I doubt camber wear is taking a big part on this issue (extremely annoying problem). But I may be wrong.

I agree with Jamie as well. Thanks for the info
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do you have an adjustable upper ball joint to correct camber? toe isn't going to wear out the inner part of your tires. camber will. find a shop that will put it on the alignment machine and let you see where everything sits, inform them that you just want to know where your issues lie so you know what to fix. some shops will set toe and lay a finger on the sensor to correct the camber numbers and make it appear that all is good because they don't either don't want to deal with it, cant fix it, or scared if they give you back a car that isn't within spec, your not going to want to pay for that alignment. if your camber is off, get an adjustable upper ball joint installed and you can get a good bit of camber corrected with that. I fixed a civic that had horrible camber the other day with a simple set of ball joints.
Definitely going to look into adj bj,s since I don't have any installed.. Thanks!
Do you think the new alignment machines are much better than the bit older way alignment shops did it?
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When I had similar issues and did the research I also took away that toe will affect tire wear more than camber. You should try to post alignment specs as someone else stated. If you can't get the toe within specs you'll want to figure out why.
Definitely 3 of toe with destroy a tire in camparison with 3 of camber.
Pretty sure its toe wear too because the wear is more withing the tire ~2 inches.
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