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Old 12-17-2013, 05:04 PM
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Beginning the journey...

Well I have most of what i need and tomorrow i will be grabbing the transmission and the half shaft. Hopefully I can get everything in the next month or so and get to the task of installation. Wish me luck, though Im sure ill be asking some of yall some questions along the way.

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Cool! Best of luck.
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I just did a DIY writeup on 4th gen 5spd swap. Most of it is the same. I made sure to be very detailed so it might help you out. I haven't finished adding links and little **** but the whole writeup is pretty much there. It's in the DIY engine section here
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Well made some more progress today. Got the trans out, the shifter cables, and the half shalf. All together the parts I have bought for the swap total about $300. Only thing i need to buy now is my new clutch, flywheel and clutch line.

Here is the M2Y4, fresh out the salvage yard.


Ill post some more shots as I get the parts all cleaned up and the new stuff comes in the mail.

Bykfizer, thanks man. Im so excited to get this going.

ProjectPrelude95, I have read over your write up a few times. Though its not that complicated to me until i get to the wiring.
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Best of luck to you, that's exciting!
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I just bought a new slave and master cylinder to be sure everything works out right. Any thoughts on the braided clutch lines? I need a line either way and was wondering if its worth it or should i try to order an oem one?

I also pulled the factory seats from the donor car today. Installed them in a few min and its a night and day difference. I cant believe how worn out mine were. They really showed the wear once they were in the garage with better lighting. Spent $55 for the two and I couldnt be happier.

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Just purchased a new rear main seal, a braided clutch line, 8 flywheel bolts, 3 quarts of honda MTF, a new water pump, new oil pump, and a valve cover set. Seems the trans mission swap is turning into a engine rebuild as well. So as the parts pile in the garage grows so does the list of stuff to buy.

Next things to get include the clutch and flywheel, timing belts, accessory belts, a manual tensioner and valve seals.
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I'm glad you purchased a new slave and master, good call on the braided line as well. DEPOG has done enough swaps and clutch replacements lately to know swapping those parts is a plus! I'm staying tuned to this one!
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Re: Beginning the journey...

There wasn't a need for a new oil pump. It's very very rare they ever need to be replaced. You could have saved the money and purchased just the seals.

Hopefully you're using all Honda parts?


Some recommendations since I didn't see them mentioned (or i just missed them :P )

Having a reputable shop replace the transmission seals NOW vs later will save you in the long run if you intend to keep the car. Roughly $80 in labor, and only 3 seals from Honda.

Shifter cables from Honda don't come with the pins or plastic bushings for where the attach ontop the transmission - you will need those.

Get a new Honda Auto tensioner... it'll save you the headache.

Cam shaft seals, rear balance shaft seal, if your car is a 97/98 - get the front camshaft seal retainer for 99-01, since your valve cover will be off - get a cam plug seal.

You can purchase an Exedy stage1 for a reasonable price off ebay or amazaon, For flywheel - OEM or if you plan to go aftermarket - i don't suggest lower than 12lb. And use a Honda clutch release bearing.

If you really intend to swap the oil pump - you will need an oil pickup seal, some liquid gasket for the oil pan (hondabond), and the thin oil seal on the oil pan that sits beneath the rear main.

Don't forget grease for the clutch release bearing, and to lightly coat the back side of the oil pump (there is one seal on it) with oil. The rest of the oil pump is liquid gasket (hondabond).

A crankshaft pulley tool will be a life saver, with some breaker bars, extensions and a tq wrench.



Valve seals are digging into a whole other area. I've not even attempted that one yet...

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^^Agree! Good luck. I did mine myself in my driveway. It wasn't too terrible. You'll get it done.



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There wasn't a need for a new oil pump. It's very very rare they ever need to be replaced. You could have saved the money and purchased just the seals.

Hopefully you're using all Honda parts?


Some recommendations since I didn't see them mentioned (or i just missed them :P )

Having a reputable shop replace the transmission seals NOW vs later will save you in the long run if you intend to keep the car. Roughly $80 in labor, and only 3 seals from Honda.

Shifter cables from Honda don't come with the pins or plastic bushings for where the attach ontop the transmission - you will need those.

Get a new Honda Auto tensioner... it'll save you the headache.

Cam shaft seals, rear balance shaft seal, if your car is a 97/98 - get the front camshaft seal retainer for 99-01, since your valve cover will be off - get a cam plug seal.

You can purchase an Exedy stage1 for a reasonable price off ebay or amazaon, For flywheel - OEM or if you plan to go aftermarket - i don't suggest lower than 12lb. And use a Honda clutch release bearing.

If you really intend to swap the oil pump - you will need an oil pickup seal, some liquid gasket for the oil pan (hondabond), and the thin oil seal on the oil pan that sits beneath the rear main.

Don't forget grease for the clutch release bearing, and to lightly coat the back side of the oil pump (there is one seal on it) with oil. The rest of the oil pump is liquid gasket (hondabond).

A crankshaft pulley tool will be a life saver, with some breaker bars, extensions and a tq wrench.



Valve seals are digging into a whole other area. I've not even attempted that one yet...
I got a good deal on an OEM oil pump and seals.

Using Honda parts as much as possible.

I will def get the trans seals replaced before the swap.

I pulled the shifter cables out the car myself and bagged and labeled all the parts for it. EVERY bolt.

The clutch and flywheel is the set Im going with. Found them under 200.

I have 2 tubes of HondaBond for the oil seal and oil pan and the curve on the valve cover.

Notes taken on greasing the seal. Thanks.

Pulley tool is in my cart and will be ordered shortly.


I really appreciate the info. I know how to work on cars, but Im def not as familiar with the lude as Id like. But Im working on it...
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More parts ordered.

Exhaust manifold gaskets
Intake and Exhaust valve seals
Fuel injector seals
Brake, Clutch and accelerator pedal covers

I finally have a little extra money coming in so I should be ordering the clutch and flywheel, upper and lower ball joints, intake manifold gasket, timing belts and tensioner, sway bar bushings, control arm bushings, motor mounts, cam seals, head gasket, valve compression tool and the manual starter.

I found a local shop that will acid clean and deck the head for 180. Even swap the seals for me. Even promise a 3 day turn around time.

God help me. The more I decide to replace, the more I justify replacing something else. This happen to anyone else?
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:02 AM
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More stuff came in. This time its the clutch and flywheel. Def feel like im getting close.
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More parts ordered.


Brake, Clutch and accelerator pedal covers


God help me. The more I decide to replace, the more I justify replacing something else. This happen to anyone else?
It's a sickness that hurts soooo good!

What kind of pedal covers you get?

Sounds like you are well on your way to a proper resto of your car.
I had used the words 're-hab of your car' but considered you may end up in re-hab before this is done.

Got a build thread yet? Or is this one going to be it?
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Re: Beginning the journey...

I made a build thread a while back. I figured Id post up pics as I start the swap. As of late, I just havent had the time to do it right so I held off.

Hope to be ordering the majority of the stuff I have left sometime in the next few weeks or so. Its hard having this other addiction(airsoft). Seems finding things to spend money on gets easier and easier.
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I hee-yah!

I had (sorta) looked for your build thread.... but will do better.

Keep up the good work. Ima sit back and watch this one.
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Notes taken on greasing the seal. Thanks.
only grease the clutch release bearing lol


The back side of any non liquid bonded oil seal making contact with the block is what you should dab with a little engine oil - such as the one on the backside of the oil pump.


All others such as the sliver of a seal for the pan, rear main, cam seals, cam plug etc should have a very light touch of hondabond around the edges just for a little extra seal. Just don't get any into the motor when installing the seals.


The Helms probably explains this all a lot better than I do.
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More goodies came in. Intake manifold gasket, flywheel bolts, cam seals, and I also just picked up a used ps pump to rebuild. I also got a score today when at the pull a part I found an oem cargo net.
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More parts came in, are coming in and are about to be purchased.

My question now is about the wire harness. Before I jump into the swap, I've noticed that some of the clips and connectors on my harness are getting rather brittle. Would it be beneficial to swap the harness while I have it all apart. Would swapping to a manual harness avoid some of the wiring that's needed when I do the swap or am I over simplifying this?
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Honda still has some harnesses in their warehouse.
I can't answer the swapping to manual harness question.
Check out the 01preludeblue build thread. If memory serves he swapped harnesses from his donor car.

If the connectors still fasten proper and there are no broken wires you should be good. Sometimes the 'shell' of the connector breaks and look crappy. But the core still remains intact and connections are proper. If you can't get past the looks, Honda uses the same connectors on various cars and engines. You could snap some pix of the offending connector(s), scour junkyards for honda and acura cars with the same connector, then rebuild your new 'shell' using the Honda/Acura TSB-00-099 method.
If you go that route the hardest part is figuring out which pin type vs removing it. But in most of their connectors it's easy once you get the hang of it.
Other than the 5th gen door wire connector I've found the pins are easy to remove with a small precision screwdriver.

You can google Honda TSB-00-099 and download the pdf.
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Update: I have ordered/got in so much stuff for the build it has my head spinning. Still having the same problem of buying something only to realize i might as well buy two more items as well.

Stuff that came in:
Timing belts OEM
Manual starter
Poly front sway bar bushings, front and rear
ball joints, 4 front, 4 rear
two control arms front bushings (already had the other 2)
2 outer tie rod ends
Oil pump seals (decided to return the pump i bought)
OEM motor mounts
OEM head gasket
Crankshaft Damper tool

Not much left now. The excitement is building.
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Just bought an engine stand and a table vise. The journey continues....
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Cool. Soon the journey changes chapters from parts accumulate to parts install?
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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I sure hope so.
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Re: Beginning the journey...

Uh, err um...
How's your tool box looking?

I spent a few dozen $100 bills a couple of years ago on parts, parts and more parts.
Then one day I realized 'whoops, it takes more than skateboard tools to install all this stuff.'
Soooo... another dozen $100 bills were shelled out here n there as necessary for tools...

Parts install still in progress on my end, so unless you are in a hurry it looks like you have enough parts to last you for a while. I'm still discovering stuff I forgot I'd bought.
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Yeah Im good on the tool front. Years of collecting them paired with the huge collection my dad left me, I'll be fine. The only thing left tool wise i need is the socket for the fly wheel bolts.
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Niiiiiice!!!!!
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Re: Beginning the journey...

If you have a specific broken connector that is destroyed beyond the point of even attempting to plug it back in.


Let me know and I may have one laying around.


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^^ hold off please.. we're not done breaking stuff yet.

Nah, seriously, this project here reminds me of early 6095 days when the ups man showed up at least 10x a month with parts. I'm enjoying see-ing Mr. Noober revel in the parts hoarde disease. When you closet is full, there's no more room on the sofa, the rafters of the shed are sagging and your parts car won't hold anymore... it's a great start.
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