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so after much research... of the two catbacks that i was goin to get (greddy evo2 or ti-c), as we all know are discontinued and no one has them in stock anymore; and the one i really want (mugen twin loop) is way too expensive... ive narrowed it down to the skunk2 mega power.

my question is, i plan on upgrading the header as well, what is a good header to "match" (for lack of a better term) the skunk2 mega power? ive heard that some headers delete the cat, though im not too familiar with this subject so please correct me if im wrong. if that is the case, i need to stay away from those headers. i live in SoCal so i must keep my cat on.

this is for my 98 base manual lude and is my daily driver.
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Re: exhaust system

If the Mugen twin loop is too expensive, so will a "good" header.



Get a Vibrant - but it will require a shop to do some work with a new flexpipe and flanges to meet your current converter. Which will be smaller than the outlet of both the downpipe and inlet of the exhaust. So bottlenecking and not doing much anyway.


Exhaust work/modification is far from cheap. You can take my word on that over what anyone else says lol.
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You didn't call it headers 98....
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If the Mugen twin loop is too expensive, so will a "good" header.

Get a Vibrant - but it will require a shop to do some work with a new flexpipe and flanges to meet your current converter. Which will be smaller than the outlet of both the downpipe and inlet of the exhaust. So bottlenecking and not doing much anyway.

Exhaust work/modification is far from cheap. You can take my word on that over what anyone else says lol.
How much does a "good" header cost according to your standard?

What about a Hytech?

Hypothetically if there is no price issue, are there any headers that give decent gain that do not require custom fab for my setup requiring the cat?


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Haha, ive done enough research to see all the other people get chewed out for calling 1 header "headers" ! History has taught me something lol.
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Thermal R & D exhaust

^^ This...

Stainless catback with muffler that bolts on. Good stuff. Good price.
Said to add 4-7 hp with your current system.
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Thermal R & D exhaust

^^ This...

Stainless catback with muffler that bolts on. Good stuff. Good price.
Said to add 4-7 hp with your current system.
thats awesome!................. except i already decided on the skunk2 mega power. im jus lookin for a header in this thread, thanks tho!
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How much does a "good" header cost according to your standard?

What about a Hytech?

Hypothetically if there is no price issue, are there any headers that give decent gain that do not require custom fab for my setup requiring the cat?




My standards for a good header are Hytech and SMSP. Not replicas of a proven design, but the true hand made originals. They both run upwards of $1200. There were other companies that made decent parts in the past but have long been out of production. - most people aren't willing to spend that kind of money on a piece of metal for an N/A motor since power is so hard to squeeze out, with the power to money ratio being absurd (but rewarding in the end)


Acceptable headers that give slight gains are Mugen and Vibrant. Mugen being a direct bolt on and Vibrant requiring some custom fabrication.


DC and Megan are direct bolt on, however they are equivalent to stock and not worth the money unless you just want that cleaner looking part that does the same.



There are plenty of replica companies out there that sell for reasonable prices. But again they are replicas and not originals, this doesn't bother most due to getting a lower quality part of what they always wanted and never telling. However since i'm not a fan, I don't have any personal experience with them. So I don't know about prices, sellers, or fitment - don't want to steer you wrong so someone else will need to chime in.


If just for looks and no intentions to dump stupid amounts of money into your car - don't bother with anything over $700

In the end, it's your money. (and don't support bisi)
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^^ That leads me to ask why do you want another header?
What are your long term goals for the engine? The car? Are you going to lower the car? That matters for how much ground clearance your exhaust has.
Are you looking for redline gains like a dragster or throughout the powerband? That too should affect your pick.
Is this car a passion that causes you sleepless nights thinking of how to get air to slipstream over the rear window better?
Or like me, a car that looks cool, is a gas to drive and turns heads so therefore you want to ensure it gets treated the best you know how...
Is it a cool car you enjoy while going to school etc for a few years? Or do you envision it going with you everywhere you go in life? Drive it on your honeymoon, passing it down to your kid etc...
Getting pretty deep, huh?

If you plan on massive hp down the road, your header choice now will make a difference later. Spend the $ now on and get a good one. If you are just trying for say 200... you can go a 'budget' route and get good results with cams, tune etc. The base is a great car to build on. Honda did a good job from the factory, but also left lots of room for improvement.

I had an SH for the rare-ness and the fact that it was a great car in it's original design. I did factory upgrades like adding euro options and better tires.
One day I looked out my window and saw that I owned 3 preludes. My son was going to buy the SH originally for a dd but didn't know how to drive a stick. He learned on my truck, and through his 93. His goal was to spend a ton of money on the 93 to make it as fast as my 97. That day I gave him the 97 and he has been improving it ever since. The motor/tranny are base type so his goal now is about 220 hp like the Type S. We have a thermal cat back that's Type S size and will be adding a hytech replica or some other 'decent' header in order to allow the internal improvements to flow better. It's a 3-5 year plan that began the day I found the TR exhaust in a local junkyard.
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Great jeebuz this thread came out as read worthy. I was gonna come in here and explain how Hondas are the right mix of ingredients to make a stellar car, Wing gave me a change of heart. The $1200 headers are custom, usually jet hot coated and allow plenty of flow that the H22 for examples thrives on and gives you back Torque. That thing V6/V8 cars have to get moving, but with only 4 cylinders. Replicas wears out sooner.

Buried in the 1000's of header threads PZ has, where there is a site that does headers custom to each engine bay, and doesn't bankrupt you. The best off the top of my head is for you to look in the 3rd gen section. Somehow type t actually gave me rep for it.

Gimmie a few........ If my memory serves me well (and yes it does) these guys:
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The part I love best is if you do a group buy from these guys, you only need 1 member to make a mock up for a 1st,2nd,3rd, F22,H22,H23 block and our cars will breathe again.

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D@@@@@m 98... another mega-dude chimes in.
Two of the smartest hot rods guys on the east coast. Ryt on!

Great link Chris. Unit 1 was asking about a non sean related good header just yesterday.
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wait akoo is one of our threads strongest research members?

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Ako y u do dis! I Neva forgeeb u! You should buy motorcycle those exhausts sound great!
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exhaust systems are tricky at times.

you gain your power in the header and the piping size...

if you are looking for a performance header, then vibrant, hytech replica, bisimoto, etc are the way to go, **** dc sport and megan, they are stock replicas that give you about +1 or so of torque.

piping you need to really think about because you dont want to go to small, or to big otherwise you can constrict, or create more space than needed for the flow... so the catback really doesnt matter what you choose.... it all depends on the sound. check ebay for the twinloop replica of mugens exhaust. sounds nice.

but honestly, on a budget, and looking for an exhaust upgrade that will provide good power, and sound, while passing emissions, and being cost effective this should be your setup
vibrant header $570 https://www.roskoracing.com/cgi-bin/...&category=DD05
hiflow cat, i would say magnaflow $119 i think
kteller piping
ebay twin loop, $50
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Thermal R & D exhaust

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Said to add 4-7 hp with your current system.
Sorry I call complete BS on 4-7hp from just a cat back exhaust that's as restrictive as those Thermal cat backs. Those numbers are more achievable with a 2.5"-3" straight through catback. That Thermal R&D has 2.25" piping and is extremely restrictive to make it as quiet as it is. I'd have to see a dyno sheet to believe it. Those hp gains are just numbers Thermal claims to gain with no backup of a dyno sheet.
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My standards for a good header are Hytech and SMSP. Not replicas of a proven design, but the true hand made originals. They both run upwards of $1200. There were other companies that made decent parts in the past but have long been out of production. - most people aren't willing to spend that kind of money on a piece of metal for an N/A motor since power is so hard to squeeze out, with the power to money ratio being absurd (but rewarding in the end)

Acceptable headers that give slight gains are Mugen and Vibrant. Mugen being a direct bolt on and Vibrant requiring some custom fabrication.

DC and Megan are direct bolt on, however they are equivalent to stock and not worth the money unless you just want that cleaner looking part that does the same.

If just for looks and no intentions to dump stupid amounts of money into your car - don't bother with anything over $700

In the end, it's your money. (and don't support bisi)
$1200... ouch... i couldnt drive myself to by the mugen cat back at that price, no way am i gonna do it for the header. my overall intentions for changing my stock header was to try to get the "best" bang for the buck that i could get for roughly the same or less amount of $$ that i would spend on a catback. also, i must admit part of my intentions were for looks.

this is my only car and my daily driver and i would never take it to the track (only cuz im not that daring), though i wouldnt mind an attempt at trying to make this somewhat of a show car. also, i would like to keep it as long as i possibly can (tired of car payments) until its completely and utterly driven into the ground. so, having to replace engine/transmission and things of the sort when the time comes im prepared for (mostly, but hopefully not for a while).

however, just because its my daily and i would like to make it a show car some day, doesnt mean i want to shy away from any tiny power increase that may present itself, im just a lil more choosy on how much im willing to spend for it.

overall, i would say im mid between power/show.


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^^ That leads me to ask why do you want another header?
What are your long term goals for the engine? The car? Are you going to lower the car? That matters for how much ground clearance your exhaust has.
Are you looking for redline gains like a dragster or throughout the powerband? That too should affect your pick.
Is this car a passion that causes you sleepless nights thinking of how to get air to slipstream over the rear window better?
Or like me, a car that looks cool, is a gas to drive and turns heads so therefore you want to ensure it gets treated the best you know how...
Is it a cool car you enjoy while going to school etc for a few years? Or do you envision it going with you everywhere you go in life? Drive it on your honeymoon, passing it down to your kid etc...
Getting pretty deep, huh?

If you plan on massive hp down the road, your header choice now will make a difference later. Spend the $ now on and get a good one. If you are just trying for say 200... you can go a 'budget' route and get good results with cams, tune etc. The base is a great car to build on. Honda did a good job from the factory, but also left lots of room for improvement.
why another header? mostly show while squeezing whatever power i can into that route
long term goals for the engine? The car? daily driver for as long as possible
Are you going to lower the car? yes! probably something similar to these...
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redline gains/throughout the powerband? throughout powerband
sleepless nights thinking of better slipstream or a car that looks cool, gas to drive and turns heads? the latter part
cool car for a few years Or everywhere you go in life? everywhere i go
plan on massive hp down the road? not too massive


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but honestly, on a budget, and looking for an exhaust upgrade that will provide good power, and sound, while passing emissions, and being cost effective this should be your setup
vibrant header $570 https://www.roskoracing.com/cgi-bin/...&category=DD05
hiflow cat, i would say magnaflow $119 i think
kteller piping
ebay twin loop, $50
ive already got the skunk2 mega power catback headin to me on thursday. if i go vibrant and hiflow magnaflow(1) do i still need to custom fab the header? (2) is the hiflow magnaflow CARB legal?

one thing i know for sure is that i cannot afford to spend $$ on parts that im going to have to spend even more $$ to replace after failing smog or cali's strict emissions standards.
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Sorry I call complete BS on 4-7hp from just a cat back exhaust that's as restrictive as those Thermal cat backs. Those numbers are more achievable with a 2.5"-3" straight through catback. That Thermal R&D has 2.25" piping and is extremely restrictive to make it as quiet as it is. I'd have to see a dyno sheet to believe it. Those hp gains are just numbers Thermal claims to gain with no backup of a dyno sheet.

Didn't include a dyno sheet figuring op didn't need some graph in order to form his opinion from. The Type S exhaust is 57mm joseph. It's done through thicker walls and more efficiency. In essence less interference. It gives the H22 a wee bit more flow through the low to mid rpm's with a stock appearance instead of a watermelon shooter size outlet tip.



98.. you will definitely need to choose your exhaust carefully if you want to lower it that much. A bit off topic, but I would suggest adjustable suspension so the daily commute won't involve bottoming out your tires, fenders, and high $ exhaust. But... allow you to havethat creeper/crawler look for shows.
Keep in mind stainless will develop some mild rust if not cared for.
Want modest gains? Good wax throughout the car including all glass. Slipstream effect. Also a rear window spoiler for flow past the rear window. Consider slightly narrower tires with max air pressure for less contact area. Down the road some stiffer motor mounts to send power to the ground quicker, and either keep the stock air box or a true cold air intake and not some chrome thing that ends inside the engine bay. A K&N filter only costs a little more than the Honda paper, but adds the washable factor, plus it breathes better. I like the K&N cai for the stealth look, but they are kinda pricey.
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Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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I don't think you have to fabricate anything with the vibrant... It's a direct h22 bolt on, you may have clearance issues with the p/s or a/c though....

The magnaflow hi flow is legal. Except Cali. You will have no problem passing emissions in any of the other 49 states... I believe they make a hi flow for Cali regulations too
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You will have issues no matter what you do with a header in cali and the carb issues.


Most are not carb legal. I think DC MAY be but not positive... same goes for Mugen. You would have to check. The custom ones def are not.




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I don't think you have to fabricate anything with the vibrant... It's a direct h22 bolt on, you may have clearance issues with the p/s or a/c though....

The magnaflow hi flow is legal. Except Cali. You will have no problem passing emissions in any of the other 49 states... I believe they make a hi flow for Cali regulations too


Again, don't support Bisi. Any company that lies as much as he does should not be supported by this community....


No issues with ps or ac. But I recall reading somewhere about a length issue between the end of the downpipe and catalytic converter... could be mistaken and thinking of a prototype or older model.
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exhaust systems are tricky at times.

you gain your power in the header and the piping size...

if you are looking for a performance header, then vibrant, hytech replica, bisimoto, etc are the way to go, **** dc sport and megan, they are stock replicas that give you about +1 or so of torque.

piping you need to really think about because you dont want to go to small, or to big otherwise you can constrict, or create more space than needed for the flow... so the catback really doesnt matter what you choose.... it all depends on the sound. check ebay for the twinloop replica of mugens exhaust. sounds nice.

but honestly, on a budget, and looking for an exhaust upgrade that will provide good power, and sound, while passing emissions, and being cost effective this should be your setup
vibrant header $570 https://www.roskoracing.com/cgi-bin/...&category=DD05
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Didn't include a dyno sheet figuring op didn't need some graph in order to form his opinion from. The Type S exhaust is 57mm joseph. It's done through thicker walls and more efficiency. In essence less interference. It gives the H22 a wee bit more flow through the low to mid rpm's with a stock appearance instead of a watermelon shooter size outlet tip.
If the OP didn't include a dyno or even get his results from a dyno then he's either getting those numbers from the website that claims it adds "4-7hp" or he's making them up. 57mm is 2.25 inches which is too small if you want the most power from your exhaust setup. If you want good power then stay away from any pre-maid catback exhaust as they are all made just to make your car sound better.
Best sounding and performing exhaust I've heard is 3" piping to a Vibrant ultra quiet resonator to a Vibrant flat black muffler, also a 2.5" piping no resonator to a flat black Vibrant muffler sounds amazing also. Both setups are much cheaper then most catbacks.
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^^ That's one man's opinion.
I refer back to the Type S that with it's internals gives 220 hp using a 2.25" exhaust pipe. How can that be?
Beats me. But that's what it is.

I still say the TR is a proven system for the type of mods op is talking about. I don't need some sheet of paper that can be skewed in either direction to tell me if it's a good system. Word of mouth by old school builders was enough for me. It's simple, it's cheap, it's stainless and it's california legal.
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Re: exhaust system

The Type S H22 makes 220hp over the 200hp usdm because of it's higher compression, more aggressive cams and I believe a bigger tb and a few other things. The exhaust system being .25" bigger then our 2" usdm wouldn't give any hp increase if anything maybe 1hp. Only reason the Type S has a 2.25 inch exhaust is because it has a larger TB.

But back on topic. The Thermal research exhaust is a great sounding exhaust and a great option if you want sound and not worried about performance. But if you want something that will give out the most power custom is the way to go.
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The Type S H22 makes 220hp over the 200hp usdm because of it's higher compression, more aggressive cams and I believe a bigger tb and a few other things. The exhaust system being .25" bigger then our 2" usdm wouldn't give any hp increase if anything maybe 1hp. Only reason the Type S has a 2.25 inch exhaust is because it has a larger TB.

But back on topic. The Thermal research exhaust is a great sounding exhaust and a great option if you want sound and not worried about performance. But if you want something that will give out the most power custom is the way to go.
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ok ok no need to get at each others throats. besides i already made up my mind on an exhaust before this thread was birthed. this thread was mainly for a header. my intent for my car and its systems can be found a few posts back, or right here
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The Type S H22 makes 220hp over the 200hp usdm because of it's higher compression, more aggressive cams and I believe a bigger tb and a few other things. The exhaust system being .25" bigger then our 2" usdm wouldn't give any hp increase if anything maybe 1hp. Only reason the Type S has a 2.25 inch exhaust is because it has a larger TB.

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Whst's so bad about bisi? Shady company? Lousy parts? Both? What?

2 experts from differing approaches say stay away. I mean I hear ya, but am curious why.
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Whst's so bad about bisi? Shady company? Lousy parts? Both? What?

2 experts from differing approaches say stay away. I mean I hear ya, but am curious why.
his custom headers are not custom. He lies all the time about his products and when he legitimately gets called out its the same story. I am an engineer, trust me. **** him.

I know of quite a few people with B series who ordered his custom header and received the EXACT same header. from primary length and diameter, to merge collector, to collector exit. down to the T. And this was a Race/street B series vs a very mild B series.

Hell, TB picked up 30+whp over the Bisi header using a Myers competition manifold. And that was a true customer header through bisi built for the car. Myers sent him a production unit.

I mean really, who has a group buy for all these different series of engines and promises them to ship in 2-3 weeks if they arent massed produced and simply already ready to ship. Not only that, the powerband with his header is complete crap on the H series. Buy it for looks? ok. it looks cool. But i dont pay 900+ on a header for it to look cool.

all you need to do is google info on Bisi on HT. There is a LOT of factual information about his business practices in the last few years. He is not the same bisi that used to rome the track like every other shop. He is just a businessman who wants your money and has the right words and sales pitches to get anyone ignorant consumer to buy his product.

the guy is a joke. which is sad because he used to be all about the racer and now he is all about the money and wearing shirts that dont fit.
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^^^ I know a lot of people like this. ^^^

It happens so gradually, the sellout don't realize it. Buuuut, if Blake and Daryl agree, that's all the input I need. They've spend enough personal loot on prelude parts to buy a NSX each.
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^^^ I know a lot of people like this. ^^^

It happens so gradually, the sellout don't realize it. Buuuut, if Blake and Daryl agree, that's all the input I need. They've spend enough personal loot on prelude parts to buy a NSX each.
try 2-3 of them hahaha.

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