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Old 10-19-2013, 02:13 PM
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suspension troubles...

i just bought a 98 base not long ago, and just took it in for its 1st service. prior to this, i heard knocking noise from my suspension. so took it today to honda for oil change and to see whats up with the suspension. just found out the (**edit**) front lower ball joints and front upper strut bushings are completely shot. they said they had to warn me that its an immediate safety issue. he also said i may be able to drive with it never even breaking but nonetheless its a safety issue. i cant have it fixed today, 1st cuz they dont even have the parts in stock and have to order them. 2nd it takes all day to do. 3rd it has to be during the week, so i have to plan on how to get to work cuz i work over an hour away from the dealer. anyways...

my question is, they are saying its gonna cost around $1500 parts & labor to replace. of course, i know dealer is gonna charge premium, but is it gonna cost much less at a local shop? is it better to shop around for a cheaper place or better to pay the extra and stick with "honda quality"? ive never really dealt with suspension issue like this before so any help is appreciated.

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Technically Honda only offers the lower balljoints for a base model with a knuckle. But luckily for base model owners Honda had a front lower balljoint recall for 96-98 'Ludes and offer a kit
part# is 04510-SL5-000 BALL JOINT KIT $42.83
04510-SL5-000 - Honda BALL JOINT KIT

This kit includes balljoints for BOTH SIDES, two axle nuts, and four cotter pins. The funny thing is, it doesn't come with the castle nuts for the ball joints.
So here is the part# for the castle nuts (if you don't want to reuse your old ones)
90307-SL5-000 - Honda NUT, CASTLE (14MM) $3.28

As for the upper shock mounts #8 (which I have never seen go bad in Prelude) maybe the rubber needs replaced (#7 or #10)

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Re: suspension troubles...

thanks for the info, but when i entered my vin # it gave me this message "Sorry, we cannot determine whether this part fits your vehicle."

on another note, i had forgotten that we used to go through a mechanic that has a honda/acura only shop for over 20 yrs. he uses geniune honda parts that he gets at lower prices through his many connections from other dealers, shops & warehouses. he quoted me $160~ for the lower ball joints per side, roughly $500 for both sides total including labor and only around 3 hrs time (not a whole day like the dealer). and the upper strut bushings he said about $100 per side parts & labor. so roughly total about $700-$800 for everything. im taking it in to him on thursday so that he can see exactly what the issue is and give me a more accurate price.
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I know he has not inspected your vehicle yet, and he was giving you a ballpark estimate, but that guy is quoting you too much on the parts & labor. It should be ~ 3 hrs labor (3 x his hourly rate)+ ~$45 for the parts (for both ball joints), and ~1hr per side (2hrs total) for the shocks + the parts ~$40 per side (for 2 #7s and one #10 each side).
So even if he is charging you $90/hr (what the Honda dealer will charge), + parts it should be less then $500. As for your VIN# on their site, the recall parts won't match any VIN# which is why you received the error. I've been doing this for over 20 years, and I do not give false/misleading info on the forums.
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Re: suspension troubles...

its not that i was trying to judge your character or say that you gave false info. i was just thinking that maybe it was the wrong link or something and wanted to make sure that i didnt order the wrong parts.

with what you said above, how easily can this be done on my own? im not too experienced with working on cars yet but im a quick learner and would love to learn how to do more stuff on my own. or is it better to just have a professional do it?
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its not that i was trying to judge your character or say that you gave false info. i was just thinking that maybe it was the wrong link or something and wanted to make sure that i didnt order the wrong parts.

with what you said above, how easily can this be done on my own? im not too experienced with working on cars yet but im a quick learner and would love to learn how to do more stuff on my own. or is it better to just have a professional do it?

Before going to any other shop try doing "shock Knock fix 1 and 2".
_http://www.hondaprelude.to/forums/showthread.php?121591-Shock-Knock-Fix-1-and-2

JUST NOTICED YOUR PROBLEM IS IN THE FRONT, SHOCK KNOCK FIX WON'T HELP YOU.

That Ball joint kit sells for $120 here in Toronto, you guys in the States are sooooooo lucky.

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Parts listed above are likely from a 4th Gen Lude, similar parts but different numbers.
As TheJGB3 said,
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As for your VIN# on their site, the recall parts won't match any VIN# which is why you received the error. I've been doing this for over 20 years, and I do not give false/misleading info on the forums.

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Re: suspension troubles...

I was looking at the rear shock area which is why I questioned the Part numbers, your problem is in the front. TheJGB3 is spot on.


As for the ball joint kit, TheJGB3 is correct.
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I was looking at the rear shock area which is why I questioned the Part numbers, your problem is in the front. TheJGB3 is spot on.


As for the ball joint kit, TheJGB3 is correct.
_http://www.preludepower.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349707
thanks!

also thanks to TheJGB3!

ive been searching some vids on youtube to see how easy/hard it would be to fix. and i think ive decided to try and fix it on my own. id rather learn how to do it on my own and save money in the long run.
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I'm about to do this repair myself on one of my cars, and honestly the reason they're charging you all that money is Honda's gonna charge for the upper and lower arms. And the press to remove the wheel hub and all that work is EXTENSIVE.

I never got around to my Prelude's ball joints, but you may need to torch/grind off the fasteners for the upper arms , a pickle fork to pry the ball out, and a press to set them back.

Harbor freight has the press and fork(s) on the cheap and grinder to work off those bolts.
And you still come wayyy under the 1500.00.

And TheJGB should answer stuff more often. Very informative
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And TheJGB should answer stuff more often. Very informative
i agree!

im hoping this is goin to help along the process...
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I'm about to do this repair myself on one of my cars, and honestly the reason they're charging you all that money is Honda's gonna charge for the upper and lower arms. And the press to remove the wheel hub and all that work is EXTENSIVE.

I never got around to my Prelude's ball joints, but you may need to torch/grind off the fasteners for the upper arms , a pickle fork to pry the ball out, and a press to set them back.

Harbor freight has the press and fork(s) on the cheap and grinder to work off those bolts.
And you still come wayyy under the 1500.00.

And TheJGB should answer stuff more often. Very informative
What I find funny is that Honda replaced mine way back just before the warranty was going to expire and they changed the ball joints only, not the knuckle but when it's out of warranty, like yourself, they advise you to change the entire knuckle.
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are there any specific tools that are recommended for this kind of job?
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What I find funny is that Honda replaced mine way back just before the warranty was going to expire and they changed the ball joints only, not the knuckle but when it's out of warranty, like yourself, they advise you to change the entire knuckle.
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I'm prelude-less; I was talking about my truck. Most suspension arm parts need to be ground/burnt then pressed out. A smart way to guarantee future service visits.

The things you need to do this yourself...
-correct ball joints(upper/lower) nuts, cotter pins
-bearing grease with a way to inject it (incase)
-something to hang the brake caliper(s)
-big fawking hammer
(If this your first time changing the ball joints)
-wheel grinder/dremel with wire wheel and metal grinding attatchment
(Maybe a torch)
-Pickle fork (harbor freight)
-ball joint press 3-1 kit (harbor freight)
-eye protection
-enough hand tools to loosen the nuts and bolts involved
-six pack of your favorite beverage

****Edit****
You can rent some of the tools on the list to cut costs
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changing the lower ball joints is not that bad. getting a pickle fork and a big hammer helps a lot. i've done it twice on my lude now. don't expect to use a ball joint press that you borrow from an auto parts store, they don't work easily for our cars. each time i have had it done, it was $25 per side to have it pressed.

the first time i did it, it took me and my dad 6 hours. the second time i took the steering knuckle off was to change the wheel bearings, and this last time was to get the passenger joint replaced because it had gone bad and was under warranty. i can now take both sides apart in less than an hour, and can reinstall everything and torque it in less than 10 minutes per side. Its really not a difficult thing to do, i have learned a lot just doing that

edit: check around for shops. I was able to find several places that would press them. pep boys wanted $40, "affordable" auto wanted $50, then everywhere else i looked only wanted $25 per side. so its not bad. i nearly destroyed the rental tool trying to take it out myself, because it was about a half inch too small, compared tool size to rental tool from many places.
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I'm prelude-less; I was talking about my truck. Most suspension arm parts need to be ground/burnt then pressed out. A smart way to guarantee future service visits.

The things you need to do this yourself...
-correct ball joints(upper/lower) nuts, cotter pins
-bearing grease with a way to inject it (incase)
-something to hang the brake caliper(s)
-big fawking hammer
(If this your first time changing the ball joints)
-wheel grinder/dremel with wire wheel and metal grinding attatchment
(Maybe a torch)
-Pickle fork (harbor freight)
-ball joint press 3-1 kit (harbor freight)
-eye protection
-enough hand tools to loosen the nuts and bolts involved
-six pack of your favorite beverage

****Edit****
You can rent some of the tools on the list to cut costs
Thanks for the info, this is real helpful. Harbor seems to be really good on prices, and they say they have a new one coming to my town, but not sure when yet. I'll probably order some tools from them or find another location between my home and work. I'm the kind of person where if its not too expensive to buy the tool, id rather buy then rent cuz u never know when u may need it again so it could save u money in long run.


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changing the lower ball joints is not that bad. getting a pickle fork and a big hammer helps a lot. i've done it twice on my lude now. don't expect to use a ball joint press that you borrow from an auto parts store, they don't work easily for our cars. each time i have had it done, it was $25 per side to have it pressed.

the first time i did it, it took me and my dad 6 hours. the second time i took the steering knuckle off was to change the wheel bearings, and this last time was to get the passenger joint replaced because it had gone bad and was under warranty. i can now take both sides apart in less than an hour, and can reinstall everything and torque it in less than 10 minutes per side. Its really not a difficult thing to do, i have learned a lot just doing that

edit: check around for shops. I was able to find several places that would press them. pep boys wanted $40, "affordable" auto wanted $50, then everywhere else i looked only wanted $25 per side. so its not bad. i nearly destroyed the rental tool trying to take it out myself, because it was about a half inch too small, compared tool size to rental tool from many places.
is a torque wrench necessary to bolt everything back up, or is it more of a "just secure tight" situation?
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most things can just be secure, as long as you have cotter pins and they are nice and tight. however, the hub bolt needs to be at 200 ft pounds, and if its not, the bearings can go out quickly.

if i am too lazy to get a torque wrench, i just have the car on the ground, and snug it up with a light jump on a 2 ft breaker bar
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Im hoping TheJGB3 will chime in on this... Honda finally got back to me with the parts that need to be replaced for the lower ball joints. They said that its not separate from the knuckle and the part i need is 51215-S30-902 for the left knuckle and 51210-S30-902 for the right knuckle.

are these going to be necessary (the whole knuckle and ball joint) or will the suggested ball joint kit be fine?
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Check out a diagram at majestic honda .com
Click on knuckle then rear lower arm. Check out the diagrams.
Also take note of the item numbers, and scroll down the page, then compare the diagram number to the honda term used.

If you can, screen shot the diagram on your favorite portable device. Then take said device outside and look at your suspension while looking at the parts diagram.
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Im hoping TheJGB3 will chime in on this... Honda finally got back to me with the parts that need to be replaced for the lower ball joints. They said that its not separate from the knuckle and the part i need is 51215-S30-902 for the left knuckle and 51210-S30-902 for the right knuckle.

are these going to be necessary (the whole knuckle and ball joint) or will the suggested ball joint kit be fine?
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I've been searching for the last few minutes and it turns out our Ludes had a Safety recall for the front lower ball joints, I'm not sure if your car was included in the recall but the bulletin number is 99-039. What I would do is first call Honda America, give them your info, Vin # and they'll tell you if your vehicle was effected, heck you may not even have to pay for the repair.


Now if your out of luck/repair was done in the past "google" honda tsb 04510-SL5-000 or honda tsb 99-039 you should be able to download the Recall Info, it's in .pdf format, print it out, bring it to the dealership. Before showing the service adviser/douchebag/asswhip the printed TSB ask him
"Does my car need front lower balljoints?
If he says "yes" ask him
"Are you sure?"
If he responds again with a "Yes" answer, then I'd question him about
"Do I have to replace the whole knuckle?" If he says "yes" again.
Then show him the TSB Bulletin that you have printed and take a picture of the expression on his face and post it here.

To bad you don't live around me, I'd love to go and question the advisor, maybe even the mechanic.
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Hey Bud
I've been searching for the last few minutes and it turns out our Ludes had a Safety recall for the front lower ball joints, I'm not sure if your car was included in the recall but the bulletin number is 99-039. What I would do is first call Honda America, give them your info, Vin # and they'll tell you if your vehicle was effected, heck you may not even have to pay for the repair.


Now if your out of luck/repair was done in the past "google" honda tsb 04510-SL5-000 or honda tsb 99-039 you should be able to download the Recall Info, it's in .pdf format, print it out, bring it to the dealership. Before showing the service adviser/douchebag/asswhip the printed TSB ask him
"Does my car need front lower balljoints?
If he says "yes" ask him
"Are you sure?"
If he responds again with a "Yes" answer, then I'd question him about
"Do I have to replace the whole knuckle?" If he says "yes" again.
Then show him the TSB Bulletin that you have printed and take a picture of the expression on his face and post it here.

To bad you don't live around me, I'd love to go and question the advisor, maybe even the mechanic.
yea, after i found out the part number was different (for the whole knuckle) i did more research on that TSB and found (i think on honda-tech) that the recall included my car and that the ball joint kit should suffice my needs.

im hopin to get it by this weekend so i can start workin on it, if not it will have to wait til next weekend. im also hopin to either take pics or video of the process to post.
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Im hoping TheJGB3 will chime in on this... Honda finally got back to me with the parts that need to be replaced for the lower ball joints. They said that its not separate from the knuckle and the part i need is 51215-S30-902 for the left knuckle and 51210-S30-902 for the right knuckle.

are these going to be necessary (the whole knuckle and ball joint) or will the suggested ball joint kit be fine?
Just use the recall kit. As for the youtube vid you posted, that guy edited a lot out of the process for someone unfamiliar with doing this job. What I would do is remove the knuckles yourself and take them to a shop to have them do the balljoints for you. The job pays .3hrs per side. PM me if you have any ?
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Re: suspension troubles...

so in our attempt to change the ball joint this weekend, we ended in failure (sort of). for the life of us we could not get the axle nut off. and with other plans impeding on our progress we had to call it off until next week.

on a side note, while working on this, we came to find that the tie rod ball joint may be wearing out as well, which honda dealer failed to mention. it may or may not be wearing out, i didnt really check to see how much play there was on the ball joint. i just noticed that the boot was completely ripped.

here is my new issue. we put everything back together (which wasnt much cuz we didnt get too far, stupid axle nut). then today i go to take my car to work and as i start driving i hear a knocking noise come from the side that we had worked on (front passenger side). as i speed up it gets louder and repeats faster. so not wanting to risk my or my sisters life while driving over 50 miles to and from work, i decided to turn around and leave my baby at home and take my moms mini van (now im soccer mom status!). my ?? what could that knocking noise be?
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Re: suspension troubles...

oh, and the furthest we got on the ball joint removal was (front passenger side only):

removed wheel
removed caliper assembly
removed the mount that held the brake line to the knuckle
attempted to remove axle nut and stopped there
then put everything back on
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Here is how to get the axle nut off.
Raise vehicle, remove wheel
Remove wheel center cap, then put wheel back on
Lower vehicle
Now you can remove the axlenut with a breaker bar

Since the tie-rod boot is torn, I would go ahead and replace it too, and you will need an alignment when finished since that is how you set 'toe'.

As for the noise without hearing it I cannot tell you what it is.
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Here is how to get the axle nut off.
Raise vehicle, remove wheel
Remove wheel center cap, then put wheel back on
Lower vehicle
Now you can remove the axlenut with a breaker bar

Since the tie-rod boot is torn, I would go ahead and replace it too, and you will need an alignment when finished since that is how you set 'toe'.

As for the noise without hearing it I cannot tell you what it is.
yea that was our idea for the axle nut, but come to find out the center cap is held on by tiny hex screws and the size is in between two of the hex wrenches that i do have. so i need to find one in between (cant remember the sizes that i have that is too small and too big). so we had to wait on that until i can find the size that fits.
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Then use your donut spare wheel.
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Then use your donut spare wheel.
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wait a second, i just realized the person i bought it from had the 2 sub woofers and the amp installed in the floor of the trunk so there is no spare tire...
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At what point do you just ride out to the PO's house and do lawn donuts fo no spare?

At least you have the oem jack +tools? :fingerscrossed:
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