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Ordering a Crate Engine

I have a 2000 sh and it currently has around 178000 miles. I want to either rebuild the engine with a few performance upgrades or order a crate engine. I went to hmmotersonline.com to look at crate engines and they all look good, but it says the each engine averages 35000 miles, WHY?
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

Im not a huge fan of buying engines online, to me it seems like they just ballpark the mileage. I've also never seen anything on those websites saying they've properly stored their engines. You just can't pull a engine out of a car and have it sit for months, you have to coat the cylinder walls with oil, oil the valve springs, etc. But I know a few people who have bought engines from hmotorsonline without any issues. But if you have the time, money, and knowledge to rebuild yours I say do that.
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

They are used engines. Usually from cars that had 40-60k miles. It's a smog thing in a socialist nation where once the engine reaches a certain point it's no longer capable of producing combustion efficient enough to pass their standards... or something like that.

The reputable importers check compression and what not before bringing it to the us. Sometimes gaskets leak from sitting. But if you plan on living at high revs you should rebuild which ever motor you decide to use so you can at least do a proper break in process...

Me personally? I'd rebuild what you have already if it's in good shape. SH motor is limited in what you can do but it's still a great place to start.
Do some research and you'll find top end has a low ceiling but you can certainly gain a whole bunch of thump in the low and mid range areas... all H22's need help there.
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

I'd say just keep what you have, /if you really want to rebuild it just keep your headache too a minimum and work off of what you already have. Don't forget that you have a Honda if you take care of it by doing proper maintenance it'll last you forever!
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

they come with miles on the engines already because most likely they came from a crashed car with lowish miles.
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

No matter what, if you buy an engine or take your current one out... You should rebuild before putting it in... That way you know it's solid and not gonna spring a leak on you or something internal is ****ed... You will just get a lot more life out of your car
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

The reason these engines usually have around 30k-50k on them is because they are from Japan. In Japan they have very very VERY hard rules on smog tests, think California times ten. (Jasma anyone?)

Usually its easier for the owners to swap a brand new engine in and sell the old one. These old ones get sent all over the world.

Do not think that these engines are bad by any means. They are very good and pass our North American smog test with flying colors.

Also, Japan being a tiny country, the residents don't dive as much, so not as many miles on the engines as we have here.

I have an H22a from Japan that I got from a local importer, put on about 10k kilometers on it, no problems at all.

Some of the engines might be from cars that wrapped themselves around tree etc, but majority are just replacements due to smog testing.

In all honesty, an engine, especially a Honda engine with 30k is basically just broken in and ready for fun.
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The reason these engines usually have around 30k-50k on them is because they are from Japan. In Japan they have very very VERY hard rules on smog tests, think California times ten. (Jasma anyone?)

Usually its easier for the owners to swap a brand new engine in and sell the old one. These old ones get sent all over the world.

Do not think that these engines are bad by any means. They are very good and pass our North American smog test with flying colors.

Also, Japan being a tiny country, the residents don't dive as much, so not as many miles on the engines as we have here.

I have an H22a from Japan that I got from a local importer, put on about 10k kilometers on it, no problems at all.

Some of the engines might be from cars that wrapped themselves around tree etc, but majority are just replacements due to smog testing.

In all honesty, an engine, especially a Honda engine with 30k is basically just broken in and ready for fun.
Depends what state your in. Here in California (where im at) the motor probably wont even pass visual inspection, youll have too take the car into a bar station and a state referee.
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

I don't get it. A crate motor is upwards of $5-8k from Honda with zero miles.

The remanufactured engine works too, but doesn't promise OEM parts. Still like $4-6k

A low mileage engine is the best way to go. The main issue is the motor sits, on a pallet, Drained. It is your responsibility to not start the engine until you have replaced said fluids. What you must do:
-Receipts for all parts replaced /repairs as proof it's up to spec
-Replacing all the gaskets
-Replacing sensors, solenoids, and rubber components
-Any rebuild of the internals must have some documentation
-Reflashing the ECU.
-The engine must be the minimal OBD of the original engine.

The only reason why you purchase a 30-60k motor is because it's within the powertrain warranty limit, so enginewear is non existant. You may take the opportunity to build the motor now, but at the end of the day, to replace a motor properly, you need to spend the minimum $3-4k to ensure it passes smog, including the receipts for all the parts. You go part yard, you're risking to fail the inspection.

Cali will fail you if you have a different color valve cover. They do not play.
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yupp^ youll be paying a LOT of money. May i ask why you want to rebuild it? 178000 isnt a lot of miles, you still have a lot of life left on that engine.
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

Yea you could get a brand new h22 from honda still, block is around $2k head $1k
0 miles, best deal in my eyes unless you plan on building it for performance anyway, then take your already owned h22 rebuild it to your standards.
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Re: Ordering a Crate Engine

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Cali will fail you if you have a different color valve cover. They do not play.
DAMMMMMMN!!! Just a different color valve cover. Glad I live in Canada.

How do ppl even modify cars in Cali? Get fake inspections from friends or money is passed under the table?
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DAMMMMMMN!!! Just a different color valve cover. Glad I live in Canada.

How do ppl even modify cars in Cali? Get fake inspections from friends or money is passed under the table?
It's really hit or miss, sometimes the testers really don't care if you have a header or an intake, sometimes they're assholes and sometimes you know people lol But even if you get past inspection, if your car fails emissions then you have some work to do
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yeah because those motors were only built for crates, never for vettes.......:
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