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Old 08-02-2013, 04:14 PM
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Drove through severe rain and flooded roads a couple of days ago, and now when I start my car up, it will not shift out of park. The car starts up with the key, displaying a dimly lit battery light and brake light, and cannot shift out of park unless I use the manual release button next to the shifter. If I do use this manual release button to shift it into reverse or drive, the car shifts extremely hard in each gear prior to moving. The lights on the gauge cluster for each gear do illuminate except for the D4 light. Also, I have had a viper remote start system installed for a few years now, but after this heavy rain incident, the remote starts the car, runs, and then when the parking lights turn on, it shuts down. Can anyone please point me in the right direction with how to fix this? It is my daily driver and I'm completely stumped as far as what could've even gotten wet to cause these problems.

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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

your problem has me swamped hahaha jk. sounds like the heavy rains may have done some damage to your tranny and or intake system. i would suggest getting in there and doing a visual inspection. check your intake make sure no moisture is around. as far as the tranny goes... idk but bump for ya. last time i was slammed and was in heavy rains my car bogged for a good while... I redid plugs, wires, and reset CEL and all was fine. didnt have tranny issues though
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

The car doesn't bog at all, and stays running fine when started up with the key. The only conclusion I can come to is that the electrical connector for the Transmission Control Solenoid may have gotten soaked and damaged. It's a relatively cheap part that I could replace easily, but I don't want to just start throwing money blindly at parts. It seems like I can rule out the more expensive Transmission Control Module as it is mounted insider the cabin under the glovebox area. This problem is a direct result of the heavy rains and driving through flooded roads, so it must be something that got wet under the hood or under the car.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Your linkage from the selector is busted. It's probably stuck between P and R and your autostart will not give you the time of day until you drop the car to N and tighten the bolts up. Another reason to hate automatics.

Transmission Selector Limbo.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

I also agree transmission linkage
but..
if you can manually shift it using the bypass, then maybe not
could be the solenoid??
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Doesn't hurt to check both since the repairs require the equal amount of work.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Shove a small flat head screwdriver into the slot marked "Shift Lock" and pull it out of park and see how you go. Most likely the shift linkage is suspect.

Another option could be the sender from the ignition barrel has gone. I had this trouble and it had us stumped for an entire weekend.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Took console apart and it seems like the shift lock solenoid may be bad. I removed it and left it unplugged, so now it cant stay locked in park anymore. A couple more pieces of info from today are as follows:

1. Removed shift lock solenoid and decided to take the car for a drive. Made it a few miles and it completely died. Battery seems to have died somehow (maybe a short somewhere?). Got the car back home and have the battery charger on it for the next day or so.

2. Checked continuity at all fuses, and one of them seems to have a short. I believe it was labeled as "small lights" or "low lights".
Anyone know what this fuse actually operates?

Any other ideas?
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Leave the fuse out and look for lights that would be on during night driving. Could be courtesy, plate lights, side markers, junk like that.
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UPDATE:

1. Removed center console and shift lock solenoid - can now shift out of park with no problem.
2. Charged the battery - it holds charge under load with a load-tester
3. Removed alternator, took it to auto parts store and had it bench tested - Alternator is good.

EXISTING PROBLEMS:

1. When car is started, still have dim lights on dash for battery and brake.

2. Gear indicator lights work for P, R, N, D3, 2, and 1, but not for D4 and not for SportShift (gear numbers do not display either)

3. Running lights, headlights, taillights, brake lights all work fine.

4. Seatbelt indicator light (for when ur not wearing the seatbelt) does not work.

MY GUESS:

There is a short somewhere. The short must be on the same circuit as seatbelt light, D4 light, SportShift lights, and shift lock solenoid. Does anyone know where the most logical place to look for this would be assuming the cause was running through water and getting an electrical component or wire soaked???
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Another Update:
Took the car for a short ride today with the shift lock solenoid still removed so that I can shift it out of park. Noticed a couple more symptoms.

1. Speedometer doesn't work
2. Car moves and shifts through gears, however, it does not rev past 2,100 RPMs no matter how much gas I give it. Also, it responds very slow from a stop to moving into first gear, much like the torque converter slipping.


Any ideas? I need to get this fixed ASAP as this is my daily driver.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Found a 15A fuse that is blown under the dash on the driver's side for the ECU. Replaced the fuse, and all of my problems disappeared...for about 15 seconds, and then the fuse blew again.

Any ideas where to start looking for the issue? I have already pulled out the TCM and ECU and checked for broken wires that may be shorting out, and all wires appear intact. Any other places to look would be greatly appreciated as my only other idea at this point is that the ECU may be bad now.

***UPDATE***
With ECU completely unplugged, as soon as key is turn in ignition, the same fuse pops.
Visually inspected O2 sensors, they look as good as new.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Um, try a 30a and see what happens? 15a sounds weak. If it pops after the 30a, then you have a real issue I'd have nothing to add, never had a fifth gen.

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Other hondas had problems due to the location of the o2 sensor wires, like they rub up in the steering assembly, or bake on the header and then ground out. Could very well be a bad ecu... Do you have a donor ecu to swap? And yes, 15 is the right amps. Check for other pinched wires, like evap plug, if you did an intake kit.

While the car is shut off, take a Volt meter and set to ohms and check for any that give a reading over zero. Hope this helps
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Hey bro........ man im having the same problem with my 2001 prelude, I mean same exact issues my car blows that #14fuse it takes off really slow the battery and brake light show up inthe cluster really dimed, the transmission is stuck on parking , I dont know what to do any more and I can't miss any more days at school please help me with any information , thank you
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Hey Carlos. It's been a while since I had this problem, but if I remember correctly, I had a wire on the main engine harness (back of the engine towards firewall) that had a bare spot and was contacting a metal bracket. We fixed the problem by using thick rubber shrink wrap, and haven't had a single symptom since then. Hope this helps some...
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Hey I got this issue going as well. My cluster is completely dead, my blinkers don't work. However wipers, lights, high beams, etc all work.
I've replaced every single fuse and relay in my car.
My cluster and blinkers stopped working as well as the shifter locking into park after I accidentally put a battery on backwards.
Is it possible there is a blown fuse, fried wire or something that caused this? Because the car runs and drives the same, I have it set to sport shift so it shifts higher from first to second, so it's normal to me. The cluster still lights up when I turn my lights on, but other than that it doesn't do anything. Also yes, my hazards work.
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Re: Car Won't Shift Out of Park

Hey I got this issue going as well. My cluster is completely dead, my blinkers don't work. However wipers, lights, high beams, etc all work.
I've replaced every single fuse and relay in my car.
My cluster and blinkers stopped working as well as the shifter locking into park after I accidentally put a battery on backwards.
Is it possible there is a blown fuse, fried wire or something that caused this? Because the car runs and drives the same, I have it set to sport shift so it shifts higher from first to second, so it's normal to me. The cluster still lights up when I turn my lights on, but other than that it doesn't do anything. Also yes, my hazards work.
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