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What is better, an 1999 Honda Prelude ATTS for 5,500 Manual SH.

Or a 1998 Honda Prelude VTi-R FOR 5,200 Manual Base?

P.S: What is better in general, base or SH?
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Re: Comparing?

stock vs stock i would rather have an SH but if you are planning on tuning then having a base model would be the best option
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Re: Comparing?

I plan on adding a nice lip kid, some nice wheels. Just making it look really clean and nice on the outside.

Inside, have a nice sound system and have it nice and clean.

I will want to in time rebuilt the engine so it can pull a nice 300-400kw+ with twin or single turbo.

But, can someone tell me what the difference is on ATTS and non-ATTS?
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Re: Comparing?

SH has atts which is an auto torque transferring system, which puts more torque to the outside wheel of a turn, letting you corner quicker.

the SH (with atts) has different transmission, has a spot for atts on the block, and has different suspension. sh has 2 lower ball joints, while base only has 1.

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Re: Comparing?

Thanks, looks like I'll be getting the SH ATTS.

P.S: I want to get a new cluster, how would I go about my old miles getting set on new cluster>?
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Re: Comparing?

why do you want to change the cluster?
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Re: Comparing?

For a more appealing / custom one.
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Re: Comparing?

if youre going to keep your car stock get sh

if youre going to do some performance upgrades get base

sh's suck in tuning-wise
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Re: Comparing?

Why do the Sh's suck at tuning?

Also, how much are leather interior would cost for a 98 lude SH ATTS?

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Re: Comparing?

well you can tune an SH but then the atts unit doesn't work anymore and it becomes dead weight
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Re: Comparing?

^ and piggypacks arent that good
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Re: Comparing?

Why does the ATTS become dead after a tune?
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Why does the ATTS become dead after a tune?
because best way to tune these cars is obd1 conversion (you can get chipped obd1 ecu which can be tuned) and obd2 ecu controls atts. so when you change the ecu theres no atts anymore

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atts shuts down arounds 240-250hp even if you manage get some tune with piggypack

those piggypacks are damn expensive and their tuning abilities are kinda limited
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Re: Comparing?

Thanks for all the information.

If I bought the ATTS version, and took the ATTS out and put a diff in, what would the ATTS go for? And would the diff work with OBD1?
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and took the ATTS out and put a diff in
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you cannot change atts transmission to normal one. blocks are different
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Re: Comparing?

Quite asking questions! It is what it is! lol j/k But yeah like mentioned if you want to turbo that's if you have the funds you will want a base model. Like mentioned ATTS doesn't like much xtra power.
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Re: Comparing?

Thanks.

Looks like I'll be getting the stand VTi-R.

P.S: Do you know anywhere I can get leather interior? I've seen a few with it but are not what I'm looking for. I want just leather.
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Re: Comparing?

Ok thanks.

P.S: probably been asked a million times, but how much would a fwd to rwd conversion be and is it worth it?
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but how much would a fwd to rwd conversion be
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Ok thanks.

P.S: probably been asked a million times, but how much would a fwd to rwd conversion be and is it worth it?
as stated, too much. the car would have to be taken down to the frame and be redesigned. it has been done (ive seen one with an LS1 corvette engine and rwd) but it is verrry expensive to re-fabricate the frame.
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Re: Comparing?

Pure stock the S.H. will out run a Base model on a race track. It was car & driver affordable sports car of the year all 5 years it was made. But the Base model is much more ready to be modified. There were not many S.H. models made and some parts are S.H. specific, so working on them can get complicated. The ATTS is trouble prone simply because the bells & whistles in them are at least 12 years old.
All usdm Preludes were nice automobiles but the Base is more popular. They are easier to find for sale and tend to command better resale value with 5 speeds. The ones with automatics tend to be the ones we scavenge in the junkyards because most don't want to spend the dough on switching to 5 speed.
Honda said the Base and S.H. motors had the same specs. Others say the S.H. has some better cams, similar to Japanese Type S cars.
All I know is when I hit second gear I need to be aimed where I wanna be going . And if that isn't the case, ATTS to the rescue.
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Honda said the Base and S.H. motors had the same specs. Others say the S.H. has some better cams, similar to Japanese Type S cars.
99-01 usdm h22a4 have slight better cams than older h22a4's. 99 being as "facelift"-year for preludes

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=762014

type s/sir s-spec's are whole different engine than h22a4 (though type s has same gearbox than sh)
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ATTS is nice, but pain in the ass to fix. SH also has Double Wish Bone suspension which is also a bitch to fix. Keep that in mind.
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ATTS is nice, but pain in the ass to fix. SH also has Double Wish Bone suspension which is also a bitch to fix. Keep that in mind.
They both have double wishbone suspension.
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Re: Comparing?

I would get the base model, especially if you are going to beef up the motor.

SH's (ATTS) are good and nice if your planning on sticking pretty much stock.
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Atts is awesome, power oversteer in a fwd car is sooo fun. Once you get up to 240ish whp and above, the Atts system won't know what to do though and it really will just be dead weight.
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Base. So much extra work with atts upkeep.
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SH has atts which is an auto torque transferring system, which puts more torque to the outside wheel of a turn, letting you corner quicker.

the SH (with atts) has different transmission, has a spot for atts on the block, and has different suspension. sh has 2 lower ball joints, while base only has 1.

edit: lots more info about it in the 5th gen resource thread
Wait, what? I'm wondering how that's physically possible.

Edit: Nevermind, didn't think about the radius rods, lol.
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