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ok so i got the car running today and theres water coming out the bottom of the header (the down pipe is not bolted on) its quite a bit of water. 3 questions, first does this sound like the open deck block is leaking? second, is there a difference between the H22A and H22A4 head gaskets? and third, why in the world would someone design an engine where the cylinders arnt connected to the block?
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Re: water coming out of header

Well where's it coming from- Out of header? Or between the head and block? Those are two veryyyyyy different symptoms.
And just got it running, after what kinda job? Headgasket, timing belt....



And how exactly are the cylinders not attached to the block?
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Re: water coming out of header

its coming from the bottom of the header so im thinking its going into the cylinders and the piston is pushing it into the exhaust. as for just got her running, i just swapped the H22A4 into my 93 Si.

this is what the usdm H22A4 block looks like. technically they are connected to the block at the bottom, more or less i meant at the top of the block.
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Well where's it coming from- Out of header? Or between the head and block? Those are two veryyyyyy different symptoms.
And just got it running, after what kinda job? Headgasket, timing belt....



And how exactly are the cylinders not attached to the block?
Lmao. That photo says it all.
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how common is it to have the cylinders move?

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well i had the block and head machined before i put it all back together so im thinking its not a height issue, only thing i can think is the force of the pistons is causing the cylinders to drop down some and create a gap?!?! i dont really know im kinda just guessing here :)
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well its got a blown head gasket :( ill post pics in a min.
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooo


soudns like my cbr when i blew a headgasket, pumped the entire exhaust system full of coolant lol
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anyone know what would cause this? the cars only ran for like 30 min with this head gasket.
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3hrs to take report the problem, assume a solution, take the head off, and find/confirm the problem, not bad!!
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quicker than that, from the second i started to the second i took the pics was maybe 30 min. these little 4 bangers are nothing compared to my V8 (and im a mechanic, i do this crap every day)
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Haha even better!

Was it a brand new head gasket?
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bad gasket? Was it OEM?
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Was it a brand new head gasket?
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bad gasket? Was it OEM?
felpro which is whats really pissing me off, im running felpro headgaskets on my LS1 at about 500HP and havent had an issue

is there a composite head gasket available for the H22A4 or just these thin steel ones?
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I tell you, you got a deformed head gasket and possibru ruined it more with wrong torque specs
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According to my torque wrench it was right, but I don't know how accurate it is.
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is it a cheapo harbor freight?
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No its snap on but I've had it for like 6 years, its turned a lot of head bolts. I want to get a new one but there crazy expensive and I just bought a lot of tools :)

its this one, simple but still 400$

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At my work we use dial torque wrenches to torque the bridge bolts. Instead of waiting on the click, you read a dial. You can check your wrench accuracy with something called a skidmor device.

The contractor calibrates their wrenches in a lab test bench with known temperatures etc once a year and in the field each day before using the wrench. Temperature matters!!
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Cometic makes a multi-layered steel head gasket but you shouldn't need one.

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No its snap on but I've had it for like 6 years, its turned a lot of head bolts. I want to get a new one but there crazy expensive and I just bought a lot of tools :)

its this one, simple but still 400$

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You know, your local Snap-On dealer can have the torque wrench recalibrated.
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You know, your local Snap-On dealer can have the torque wrench recalibrated.

They use a skidmor type thing too. Hopefully after you pay 'em 600 smackaroos theywon't charge you... much.

Third the oem gasket.
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I doubt the torque settings would cause that. Even if you were off several ft-lbs, particularly within 30 minutes. I'd suspect a hairline crack in the original gasket that broke with the torque and heat. That's really crappy. I would be PISSED, especially since it would have taken me 5 hours to remove that all after the 6pack and hour of cursing.

Either way, good luck with the new gasket. I'd double check the block and head for a level playing field.
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Re: water coming out of header

Ya I checked the block and head and there not great, at the center where the cylinders meet there's .007" on the head and .004" on the block. I called the machine shop today and they said bring them in, if there way out of spec they'll do them again for free. Now I just gotta pull and tear down the engine again. My buddy just got a brand new craftsman torque wrench last week so I'm going to borrow that for reassembly.
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That 'brand new' HG doesn't look like its only had 30mins on it... Just sayin.
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