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Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

so my fans donít turn on, checked the relay and itís all good, replaced the thermostat today with a Honda oem one and i got nothing, i know the fans work cause i shorted the plug they turn on. Also when i turn on the ac the fans normally turn on but now they donít, the temp needle stays a bit above the middle with the heater on while cruising, at the any ideas?
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

check rad fluid level, and bleed the system. when i got my lude, my ac fan was the only one that turned on, turned out to be fluid level so i flushed it and bled the system. there is a decent write up on here in the 5th gen resources thread i believe.
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jump the fuse so the fan stays running and go for a drive. see if you can keep a normal temp. why am i replying to you in this thread lulz. back to our top secret nypoc bat cave
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

There's a switch that threads into the thermostat housing (the one whose connector you jumped). That switch senses coolant temp and turns the fans on/off respectively. There's another (identical in appearance) sensor just under the distributor, ECT sensor (engine coolant temp) sensor. It relays the ECT to the ECU, which also has input on whether or not your fans turn on. IIRC, they're about $20/ea. Hope this helps.

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There's a switch that threads into the thermostat housing (the one whose connector you jumped). That switch senses coolant temp and turns the fans on/off respectively. There's another (identical in appearance) sensor just under the distributor, ECT sensor (engine coolant temp) sensor. It relays the ECT to the ECU, which also has input on whether or not your fans turn on. IIRC, they're about $20/ea. Hope this helps.

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i was getting an ect code before but it turned out to be a bad ground on the plug, so i ended up running a separate ground to the ect plug itself.
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jump the fuse so the fan stays running and go for a drive. see if you can keep a normal temp. why am i replying to you in this thread lulz. back to our top secret nypoc bat cave
i did and it doesn't keep the normal temp
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There's a switch that threads into the thermostat housing (the one whose connector you jumped). That switch senses coolant temp and turns the fans on/off respectively. There's another (identical in appearance) sensor just under the distributor, ECT sensor (engine coolant temp) sensor. It relays the ECT to the ECU, which also has input on whether or not your fans turn on. IIRC, they're about $20/ea. Hope this helps.

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I always wondered WTF the diff was between those 2 ECT sensors!
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i did and it doesn't keep the normal temp
What you mean doesn't stay normal? Like the gauge fluctuates?

I'm gonna agree with check coolant level and be 10000% positives its bled of air.
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

Just hardwire the fan to a switch in the cockpit, only took me three months to get off my lazy a$$ to do it now its on all the time haha
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

i got the system bled at a shop and got all the air out, i also cross wired the fan switch so the fans are always on and the needle still goes up above the middle temp gauge with the fan always running. going to replace the thermo switch tomorrow and ill keep u guys posted.
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

It seems as though we might've overlooked an indication problem. Under the distributor (next to the ECU ECT sensor) is a 1-pin stud with a wire that hooks up to it. This stud is your temperature indication transmitter. The proper term for it is "thermistor", based on the temp reading it gets it sends your temp indicator varying voltage, thus changing the needle position. If this thermistor is faulty, you won't receive proper indication.

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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

ok guys it turns out the temp switch was bad, i test it with hot water and put a torch to it and fans did not turn on, did it with the replacement fans turn on, replaced it, bled the system until no more bubbles come out, fan came on 3 times while i was bleeding the system but the temp still went up..

temp after i bled the car


ones i started driving the temp went to this

turn off the car it goes to this but rises very very very slow


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I could be the temp gauge its self...
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

so the fans turn on after a certain temp, right? once the temp cools down the fans turn off, right? that's what the car is doing, i assume if its overheating the fans would stay on all the time, right?

does anyone know were this wire goes to? its right under thermostat housing area.
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It looks like the connector for your temp transmitter. If that's it, it connects underneath the distributor to a little gold stud with a rubber boot.
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It looks like the connector for your temp transmitter. If that's it, it connects underneath the distributor to a little gold stud with a rubber boot.
no thats not it cause that wire wont reach that far and i have a plug already in the gold stud under the dizzy
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

A wire for your reverse lights?? Altho I doubt it'll reach.

And is that wire OEM, or aftermarket?
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A wire for your reverse lights?? Altho I doubt it'll reach.

And is that wire OEM, or aftermarket?
man i honestly don't know if that wire is oem, but i do know that is not the reverse light wire cause i labeled them and there longer...

what i don't understand is, if its really overheating and the needle is getting pass the mid point, isn't the fan suppose to keep running until the temp comes down? what are the odds of it being a bad temp gauge?
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oh and another thing, it takes about 2 1/2 minutes or less for the gauge to rise up to this

which before it took about a good 10 minutes or so.
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Well you've eliminated the possibility of most of the cooling components being bad. Fans work, which means switches/sensors work. You say the indicator/transmitter work and that you've had the system properly bled. The only thing left that comes to mind is the water pump. Seized up perhaps? I personally don't know a way to test a water pump though...
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Well you've eliminated the possibility of most of the cooling components being bad. Fans work, which means switches/sensors work. You say the indicator/transmitter work and that you've had the system properly bled. The only thing left that comes to mind is the water pump. Seized up perhaps? I personally don't know a way to test a water pump though...
the water pump is not new but its not only has about 15k miles on it from last build and its a honda water pump too...
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So i used an infrared thermometer and i pointed to the hoses by the thermo housing and it reads 180, then fans kick in an temp goes down to 160ish.
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Offhand, I don't know what normal operating temps are. If normal ECT is ~170*F, I'd say you're getting bad indication and I'd suggest you change the transmitter.
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Re: Raditor fan issue, Temp Needle above middle

k i finally figured it out, it was the sender unit that was reading funky, i replaced it with a new sender unit and gauge it was reading 90c and once it went above 90c the fans kicked in and temp went back down. Thanks guys for ur help
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