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Help! Is anything suppose to be here?





Hi all, I recently painted my valve cover and now it wont start! I know it isn't the battery as i did use jumper cables and started it. It would crank but nothing else. I am 90% sure the sequence of the plugs are correct.

Now I am hoping it is because I am missing a ground wire. The photos attached at the top right there is a hole for where a screw is suppose to go in to. Can somebody tell me what's suppose to go in there? I couldn't find any wires that aren't connected so I'm quite stumped.
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

That's just a bracket to hold your power steering line.


Nothing important really....



So the valve cover is the only thing you removed?

a little google search got me the firing order (not my photo);
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

I will go out and check that right now. You see how there are shorter wires and longer wires? I did not touch it. Just by the picture you can already tell that the 1st one cannot reach the second one, and the second one cannot reach the third one etc. I don't think there is anyway to get that mixed up..

and ya the only thing i removed was the valve cover (and the grounds and what not that was connected to the valve cover). Also took off the alternator wire to remove the black thing that goes over the valve cover.
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I will go out and check that right now. You see how there are shorter wires and longer wires? I did not touch it. Just by the picture you can already tell that the 1st one cannot reach the second one, and the second one cannot reach the third one etc.
Yes, but they can all reach the distributor cap. Did you unplug them from the distributor?
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

Take a look at your grounds. If one happened to break that might be it. In a few of the swap I have done the grounds need to be fully grounded or it will not start. take a look at your ground wires as well.
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

Wow thats strange, I can see u have the ground wire hooked up that goes to the valve cover from the picture and it looks like that spot had the paint sanded off so it should be making good contact there and the black plastic piece is just the wire harness cover, wouldnt affect anything unless u damaged the wires underneath, which I doubt.
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

Does the cranking sound kinda sluggish?
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Take a look at your grounds. If one happened to break that might be it. In a few of the swap I have done the grounds need to be fully grounded or it will not start. take a look at your ground wires as well.
Yup, there were 2 grounds that I took off when I did the valve cover. One is the one in the pic (on the valve cover), the second one is the wire from the alternator


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Does the cranking sound kinda sluggish?
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Wow thats strange, I can see u have the ground wire hooked up that goes to the valve cover from the picture and it looks like that spot had the paint sanded off so it should be making good contact there and the black plastic piece is just the wire harness cover, wouldnt affect anything unless u damaged the wires underneath, which I doubt.
yup i sanded it off. I didnt sand inside the hole but that should be ok right?




Would any fuses have blown which would cause my car to not start? I was going to check that but its too cold outside. I don't think one little fuse can cause the whole car starting right?

Oh and I lost a grommet (the washer look-alike that goes before the nut on the valve cover) somewhere.. I checked 4 times to make sure it wasn't in the engine. So hopefully it is somewhere in the engine bay. My questions are: Would it damage the car if the grommet (plastic) was in the engine and the car started? And could I drive the car without a grommet?
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

It's possible you blew a fuse - check to be safe.


The ground wire on the valve cover itself would not cause a no-start issue. I don't even have that anymore, removed it 3 years ago....

You do however NEED the ground wire from the power steering bracket to the shock tower. It's part of the same piece of wire that the valve cover ground goes into. That one ground can cause a no-start problem. Even if it's loose, it will cause the cluster to go crazy and the car to sputter.


Yes, if you lost that grommet in the motor - you really want to get it out. That will cause some serous damage if it gets caught up in the valvetrain.
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It's possible you blew a fuse - check to be safe.


The ground wire on the valve cover itself would not cause a no-start issue. I don't even have that anymore, removed it 3 years ago....

You do however NEED the ground wire from the power steering bracket to the shock tower. It's part of the same piece of wire that the valve cover ground goes into. That one ground can cause a no-start problem. Even if it's loose, it will cause the cluster to go crazy and the car to sputter.


Yes, if you lost that grommet in the motor - you really want to get it out. That will cause some serous damage if it gets caught up in the valvetrain.
The is i looked 4 times and couldnt see anything in the motor. Ill check the fuses today. The ground wire from the power steering bracket to shock tower was connected but seems like some of the wires were stripping. Ill take a pic
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It's possible you blew a fuse - check to be safe.


The ground wire on the valve cover itself would not cause a no-start issue. I don't even have that anymore, removed it 3 years ago....

You do however NEED the ground wire from the power steering bracket to the shock tower. It's part of the same piece of wire that the valve cover ground goes into. That one ground can cause a no-start problem. Even if it's loose, it will cause the cluster to go crazy and the car to sputter.


Yes, if you lost that grommet in the motor - you really want to get it out. That will cause some serous damage if it gets caught up in the valvetrain.


I made a video, please look.

I also double checked all my fuses under the hood and inside the compartment and everything was fine.
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

It honestly looks and sounds just like mine did when I had the wires in the wrong order at the distributor. I realize they only physically reach one cylinder, but its possible to get them mixed up at the dist. Look at that again.
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It honestly looks and sounds just like mine did when I had the wires in the wrong order at the distributor. I realize they only physically reach one cylinder, but its possible to get them mixed up at the dist. Look at that again.
I did not even touch the distributor when I took off the valve cover =/
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

Are you getting spark at all?
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

Looks like your spark plug wires are in the correct order.... at least in comparison with the photo I had posted.



Clean your grounds. That ground on the power steering pump as well as the one on the shock tower are FILTHY. Impossible to be getting a good connection.


As mentioned, check for spark.

Is the alternator plugged in completely?

Have you checked your battery?
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Are you getting spark at all?
Not sure how to really check tbh.

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Looks like your spark plug wires are in the correct order.... at least in comparison with the photo I had posted.



Clean your grounds. That ground on the power steering pump as well as the one on the shock tower are FILTHY. Impossible to be getting a good connection.


As mentioned, check for spark.

Is the alternator plugged in completely?

Have you checked your battery?
Yeah alternator is plugged in. ground at the power steering pump and shock towers are indeed filthy, but it has been like that ever since i got the car. Dont see how it would just suddenly cause the car to not turn on, but it is a little bit of work that I will try tommorow!

On another note, I HOPE I found the problem.. There was something wrong with my spark plug wires.. Pics below (this is the second plug from the left).


Pictures 1, 2, and 3 are the 'defective plug'. And picture 4 is the ok plug. The plugs still plug in fine (I hear a pop) so I am not sure if something like that could cause the car to not start.. Don't really want to spend 60 bucks on new plugs if it's not gunna fix it.
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

I'm not sure that would cause a no start condition. You've still got 3 good wires. Test for spark by pulling plug wires 1 at a time, and stick a screw driver into the part that clips onto the spark plug. Once complete, have someone try to start the car while you hold the screw driver near the head/block (whatever, just near a ground). If you're getting spark at that wire, you should see an arc of electricity between the screw driver and your grounding point. Repeat for remaining cylinders.

If you get spark at all 4, you can eliminate the coil, distributor and wires.
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I just bought brand new NGK spark plug wires and switched it around. Same problem so i guess I can rule out bag spark plug wires. Gunna try changing spark plugs
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Are you positive you're getting spark from the coil?
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Are you positive you're getting spark from the coil?
it would seem he hasn't checked spark yet and has just started purchasing new parts....
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it would seem he hasn't checked spark yet and has just started purchasing new parts....
Kinda picked up on that...
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Re: Help! Is anything suppose to be here?

I bought the spark plug wires since i was at the store anyway. Figugred if thats not the problem then i can go return it. How do i check if i have spark?

Someone told me to put a screwdriver in the spark plug wires one by one and then try to crank it. Do i just hold on to the other end of the screwdriveR?
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Remove one sparkplug wire and sparkplug - preferably cylinder 4 since it's the longest one.


Insert sparkplug in the wire.


Hold the wire close (not touching, just close) to a ground, nearest one being the transmission ground or the one on the radiator support if it reaches - I don't recommend going straight to the battery, just because.


Have someone try to start the car.


Look for a spark.

Do not become alarmed and accidentally drop the wire... you won't be shocked as long as you're holding the wire. Do not hold it by the sparkplug and do NOT drop it.



It's easier to do this in a dark room or at night so you can see the arc much easier.


I'm sure there are a few videos on youtube on doing it this method. The screwdriver method is honestly not a great idea....
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I made a video, please look.

I also double checked all my fuses under the hood and inside the compartment and everything was fine.

it could be igniter and the way u pressing the ignition key is wrong, press it half in 3 second then press it all the way. its tricky starting problem.
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it could be igniter and the way u pressing the ignition key is wrong, press it half in 3 second then press it all the way. its tricky starting problem.
I dont understand how i could be pressing the ignition key wrong? never heard of such thing! lol

I got my igniter changed less than a year ago.. o.O

Anyway I did the screwdriver in spark plug wire method and there was nothing. No spark at all. So what do i do now?
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Heres a video of me checking for spark
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Check for spark again using the spark plug, some screwdrivers are designed to not conduct electricity. Pop the plug in the wire and touch any part of the metal to any clean bolt or the block(do not try to leave a gap between the plug and the bolt/block, this is a good way to get electrocuted and it usually doesn't work. You need to ground the plug). As stated above you won't get electrocuted if you hold the rubber.

Here's a good video on the subject
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For the screwdriver to work you need a gap and painted metal won't work. Do it like the video I just posted.
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For the screwdriver to work you need a gap and painted metal won't work. Do it like the video I just posted.
Thanks for replying! Only reason I tried the screwdriver method is because I did not have a spark plug tool or a extender for the ratchet. I guess I will buy one tomorrow. So do I do this with all the spark plug wires or just one is fine? And if there is no spark then what.
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I'd do it with all the wires and all the plugs. And if there's no spark than I'd suspect something in the dizzy went bad.
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