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Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Ok so iv dropped a H22 into a VW polo


Iv came to start it up, it turns over but I have no spark or fuel pump prime
It's a uk 5th gen auto iv converted to manual BUT iv not done the ecu mod yet,

Is this stopping it starting? Or is it something els

Iv done all the auto / manual wiring mods apart from the ecu.

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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

How are you bypassing the chip needed from the key?
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Iv grounded the blue wire to the immobiliser / starter relay so that shouldn't be an issue

Iv also got the key in the ring that should be ok, and if it was that wouldn't it start then cut out?

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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Iv Also got no CEL light on the dash
This is the wiring guide I have gone of
http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=302157

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You went wrong when you put a Honda engine in a VW
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

If you had transferred
The entire harness, ecu and Body control module from the prelude, gut the german out, minus the accessories like mirrors, radio, sunroof,etc, etc, you'd have less issues.

VW are electrical nightmares from the factory. Why induce this anuerism?
KUDOS on the fitment though. You do need the working. Ecu, programmed to ignore cel codes and tuned to fire with the new electrical. The keys, rear remote gate lock and factory immobilzer will not work with another harness, not without masterful electronics know how. Grounding out will not work.
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

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You went wrong when you put a Honda engine in a VW
That was my first thought, but that thing seems pretty badass haha. Original, that's for sure.
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

None of the wiring it's Vw it's all the honda wiring...

Iv removed
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Carbon canister,
Door speakers/electric mirrors and windows

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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

When you say body control modula do you mean the engine management? ( ECU )
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Nah, I mean abs, lighting, heat/ac, alarms, accessories. the non engine management. I'm missing a boatload of parts and diagrams definitely. I just don't know enough about chassis swaps. i would say get in contact with PAINLESS WIRING company and run some ideas by them, see if they can make you a working harness. But you need an ecu to get your car started. If it was carburated, a whole other story, lol
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

That's the black box. Iv got that installed.
All the lude wiring is in, iv got dash lights, headlights, it's turns over on the starter switch

Just no spark or fuel pump power/prime
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

This is the only plug not connected and Connor find the location

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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Wiring colours are;
Green/black trace
White
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Green/red trace
Blue/white trace
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Iv got the cel light up now..

But the main relay is not clicking away
Iv checked
Fuses,
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All the wiring in the bay and dash

Still no spark, no main relay click or fuel pump prime
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

i know the 92-96 preludes don't like to start if ur missing the main ground that would normally bolt to the thermostat housing.


Does the main relay get power when u turn the key?
Are you using the right distributor and coil setup for the wiring harness?


BTW...the h22 fits just fine in there.... I love the fact that...its a japanese powered german box
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Iv earthed the block twice and gearbox once. So that shouldn't be an issue.

No main relay click or fuel pump prime

The wiring is all from the donor car so again shouldn't be an issue

Only thing is that iv done the auto - manual Box conversion

I get all the dash lights, it turns over on the key, but no spark or main relay,
Iv taken some pics of plugs and wires that are not connected that ill post in a min
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

fantastic bro. never in a million years would have thought it would work.

sounds like the imobilizer is still imobilizing.
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Thanks buddy :)... Ill get the full build up soon

Hmmmm iv got the key in the ring, dose it need to be in the right position ( as if it was in the ingnition, if you get me?!


Im having a brake but before I found this wire but unsure what its for



Also this


And then discovered this at the rear of the block looks like its been torn off a plug
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

remember, i started out with never in a million years? i have no idea. i'd say if the starter is turning over you have the key in correctly.

we both speak english but use different words for the same thing sometimes. lol. you say key in the ring. you mean the key is in the ignition cylinder?

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the link above takes you to honda tech manual download. you can download the manual for whatever year your motor came from and read the schematics. maybe that'll tell you what those wires and plugs are..
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

It's got dash light, rear lights work, headlights work, it turns over,

Iv got no fuel prime, no main relay click or spark


Ill get you a pic of what I mean by the key in the ring, iv not got the ignition barrel as I'm using a push start and flip switch.

It's a bit geto I no.. But it's only to get it started



Could these pins need depressing to get signal??

Would the imobilised stop power to the main relay and stop the spark/fuel?

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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

Also what's this black box could this cause any issues
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

that's your ecu, aint it?
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No that's not the ecu buddy
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anyone got any clues??
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

You're basically on you own now. You really can't take advice from us, because none of us have h22 in a VW. We can't be responsible for any goof up suggestions.

I will tell you though, you have to fool the ecu to think there is a 5speed and ready to turn on. Autos only turn over in P or N.
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

that five wire clip is supposed to go in the main relay. Another note is that the ground on the t-stat housing will cause the same problem. That is a very important ground for these motors
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Re: Helpppppppp h22 vw polo starting issues..

i followed the guide to swop to a manual with the wiring side to make it think its in park ( connect 1-3 on the AT wiring )

the main relay already has the socket in :/ all i did was remove all the plugs from the fuesbox and placed the loom into the polo i didnt touch any of the relays on the interior.

the plug looks to be from somewhere in the engine bay with the greese on it

thats why im baffled

iv removed
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the auto box
iv not connected the park brake light
i have a few connected not connected ( pics above )

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You're basically on you own now. You really can't take advice from us, because none of us have h22 in a VW. We can't be responsible for any goof up suggestions.

I will tell you though, you have to fool the ecu to think there is a 5speed and ready to turn on. Autos only turn over in P or N.
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ill bang up my build and show you..

but atm im at an end so any help is fantastic
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