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Old 11-28-2012, 01:24 AM
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Slight tranny problem.

This is my first manual so I might have f'd it up. 169k miles. Long story short when I try to shift to 1st on a rolling stop it won't go in at all until I'm fully stop, sometimes even at full stop it still wont go in, id have to go 2nd then back to 1st for it to go in. 1st>2nd>3rd it grinds. Last week I changed the tranny fluid to amsoil synchromesh, it's gotten better, I can go in 1st gear now on a rolling stop but still have a little resistance or sometimes it won't go in all the way. 2nd gear still grinds a little but I've noticed after 15mins of city driving it gets smoother, same with 1st gear. 3rd gear still does too but barely noticeable.

I did some searching, it could be:
either the clutch master cylinder or clutch slave cylinder has deteriorated? - I have to check the clutch fluid.
Throw out bearing?
Or my clutch need replacement?

Also I did some test if its a bad tranny:
With the car off every gear go in every gear smoothly.
Put in 5th gear and let it jerk/stall.

Not sure exactly what it is and where to start?
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

one night my lude wouldn't let me go into gears either when the car was on but off it would go through easily, ended up changing the master cylinder and the slave cylinder and no more clutch problems
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

Ok I guess I'll start with those.

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Looking at oem's, they're pretty pricey. Are there any aftermarket that be as good or better? And maybe cheaper haha.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

DON'T SHIFT INTO 1ST UNTIL YOU ARE AT AN ABSOLUTE DEAD STOP!!!!!!
THERE'S A REASON WHY ITS NOT LETTING YOU SHIFT INTO 1ST, ITS ONLY TO START MOVING FROM A DEAD STOP!!!




Also, tranny fluid is just like motor oil, it needs to warm up and thin out. That's why its hard as hell to shift into ANY gears on first startup, ESPECIALLY in the winter. Than once the engine is at operating temp, it should shift smooth as butter.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

Wow I didn't know that! -_- can I do it on 2nd gear?

I actually do let the car warm up 5-10mins(heated parking) before driving but idk if that also warms up trans fluid. It still grinds 1st>2nd. And this morning it had trouble getting into reverse.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

nobody has said to bleed the system??
is your clutch pedal squishy? it should grab about midway when you release it. if not you might have a good amount of air in your line, bleed it an see if that fixes the problem. if its not really squishy bleed it anyway
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

Yes do not go into first gear unless your at a complete stop or less than 10 mph.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

I am using the clutch slave & master from Advance Auto, I think it was less than $50 for both (after online discounts) without any problems. The slave does oxidize and rust a little thought.

As others have stated, if the clutch pedal is squishy (should be fairly firm), you may need to bleed the hydraulic clutch lines. "Clutch" fluid is brake fluid, and needs to be regularly changed (as often as brake fluid at least).

The grinding could be from worn synchros. Unfortunately, it seems to be a regular problem with our manual trans (at least the 5th/reverse). The Synchromesh will help a little, but will not ultimately fix the problem. Also, don't shift the car into 1st unless you are stopped. You can put it in 2nd gear and feather the clutch out if you are slowly rolling, but don't put it in 1st.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

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nobody has said to bleed the system??
is your clutch pedal squishy? it should grab about midway when you release it. if not you might have a good amount of air in your line, bleed it an see if that fixes the problem. if its not really squishy bleed it anyway


Why would we mention bleed the system??
The OP never said he has a squishy pedal or no pressure, hence not needing to mention bleeding.
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nobody has said to bleed the system??
is your clutch pedal squishy? it should grab about midway when you release it. if not you might have a good amount of air in your line, bleed it an see if that fixes the problem. if its not really squishy bleed it anyway
No the clutch is not squishy, though it did get squishy one time awhile ago and never happened again. I just totally forgot about it. I'm gonna bleed it tho. Im gonna need to anyways to inspect the clutch master/slave cylinder right?

If I do end up needing to replace them, I'm going with exedy.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

Nope to inspect the master/slave, you just gotta see if they're leaking any fluid.


And since you only had one freak incident of a squishy pedal awhile ago.... I'd stop worrying about the MC/SC.
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Re: Slight tranny problem.

just replaced both of mine the other week ..advance auto like 60 without discount and if you do replace those i HIGHLY recommend bench bleeding i forgot and ended up takin it back out, not cool. and my car still dont work. piece a crap i havnt been able to drive it for two weeks and dont have money to get it inspected or time to do it myself. whats it mean when your car stalls out when you let the clutch out in neutral
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Nope to inspect the master/slave, you just gotta see if they're leaking any fluid.


And since you only had one freak incident of a squishy pedal awhile ago.... I'd stop worrying about the MC/SC.
Ok mc/sc is out of the question. I did some searching about bad/worn syncro's and I have the symptoms, just not as bad.

Thanks everyone for the response.
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