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Ignition tumblers

I had no luck in getting my key to turn. I'm told by a Honda master mechanic here that the brass tumblers wear out (139K). Switch with tumblers $575-$625.00 so no way. He told me I can remove the ignition switch/tumbler assy. by grinding the heads off the break-away hex nutz. He said I can remove the entire unit and disable the tumblers and re-install everything so the immobilizer still works the way it should--with the key. I don't care that the steering column won't lock-PITA anyway. Has anyone had this happen or had it repaired, and if so, how? I may or may not be able to con him into stopping by once I get it disassembled so I want to be ready. I assume the battery will need disconnected, but anything else besides multi-plugs?
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Re: Ignition tumblers

I haven't messed with mine on this car but on other cars i was able to remove the whole tumbler assembly and have a locksmith rebuild it. They did it within an hour and it cost me under $20.
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THAT'S even better!
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Re: Ignition tumblers

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Re: Ignition tumblers

Depending on how messed up it is it someone could've tried stealing it with a previous owner. I've had two ludes over 200k and never had that prob. What people use is a drill in the ignition a couple times to break the two sets of pins that the key push up letting you turn it. Once they're busted you can just use a screwdriver to start your car. Get a sweet alarm and locksmith buddy hope it doesn't cost you too much!
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Re: Ignition tumblers

third post here

Help changing ignition lock cylinder - Honda Prelude Forum : Honda Prelude Forums

have you tried spraing wd40 into the lock cylinder, then insert key and GENTLY tap the end with a rubber mallet? I have used this trick to free up the ignition wafers before. May buy you some time.
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Re: Ignition tumblers

A little different, but this might help

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Re: Ignition tumblers

In researching, I found a spray GRAPHITE--Lock Ease as WD40 will gum and attract dirt.
Tried it-no luck.
Tried tapping it, moving the wheel with AND without the front wheels on the ground, you name it. Wanted to start and drive it to the dealer, but I'm a dollar short of the $600 freakin dollars for a switch. So, I've pulled the seat and have the screws out on the shroud before work today. Honda mechanic coming over today to help me pull the switch/lock. He claims you can disable the tumblers and only difference is column/ignition won't lock. Thanks for the tip on a locksmith--I'd much rather have her lock. I think once I see it come out I can take the lock Monday....I'll post a conclusion.
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Re: Ignition tumblers

Am I to assume that after removing the shroud and grinding the hex bolt heads off the entire assembly including switch and lock cylinder will come off in my 5th gen as in the 4th gen DIY link? I had read the one post in searching, but my problem is the lock/column are locked and there's no turning the key to any setting. Can the whole lock cylinder be gutted or is there an issue with the immobilizer? Thanks for the responses!
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Re: Ignition tumblers

A follow-up and thanks to you fellow Luders. I removed the seat as I'm not a pretzel. 5 screws and pry the keyhole gasket ring out to remove the shroud after tilting the column down. I was told to take a cutoff wheel to the headless bolts by a Honda mechanic--BAD advice. Another Honda mechanic told me to take a chisel and put it on the chamfered edge of the break-away bolts and gently tap it counter-clockwise. The headless bolts start to turn pretty easy as they're not super tight. Once they started to turn, I backed them out by hand. The switch came loose once these bolts were out and I disconnected 3 multi-plugs. $45.00 at a locksmith, $2.37 each for the snap-off head bolts at Honda and I was back running after about 1/2 hour of reassembly. Thanks for all the suggestions. I wanted to follow-up on my thread in case you have this problem and some moron tells you to sling metal shavings all over your interior and under your dash!
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Re: Ignition tumblers

thanks for the update. glad it worked out for ya.

thanks for the instructions too.
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A follow-up and thanks to you fellow Luders. I removed the seat as I'm not a pretzel. 5 screws and pry the keyhole gasket ring out to remove the shroud after tilting the column down. I was told to take a cutoff wheel to the headless bolts by a Honda mechanic--BAD advice. Another Honda mechanic told me to take a chisel and put it on the chamfered edge of the break-away bolts and gently tap it counter-clockwise. The headless bolts start to turn pretty easy as they're not super tight. Once they started to turn, I backed them out by hand. The switch came loose once these bolts were out and I disconnected 3 multi-plugs. $45.00 at a locksmith, $2.37 each for the snap-off head bolts at Honda and I was back running after about 1/2 hour of reassembly. Thanks for all the suggestions. I wanted to follow-up on my thread in case you have this problem and some moron tells you to sling metal shavings all over your interior and under your dash!
I sent you a PM since I'm having a problem with my ignition.
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