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Why are preludes so damn heavy?

I mean I understand the H22 is a heavy motor. I understand that The build quality is well beyond a civic or teggy, and I understand that the ATTS system is unnecessary weight, because most of the time for most of the people who have a Type SH it's not even working -.-

Despite all of that ^^ I still don't know why the car weighs in excess of 3000 pounds
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Its a car, its not built as a race car with carbon fiber everything and all but one seat out.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

it's also not a civic...


which would you rather be driving in a crash? I know what szeth would say.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Mine weighs somewhere around low 2800's :P
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Well I'm probably just used to hanging around Civic owners who laugh cause the 'Lude is so much heavier, but shouldn't be talking with their single cams :laugh:. But also remember that it weighs as much as the same year Accord 4 doors. THAT makes no sense, considering it is so much smaller.

Or maybe I'm just a bit thick. Who knows.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Next time, Dead sound check both cars. close both car doors, hoods and trunks and record the sound they make. I GUARANTEE YOU The prelude will be making THUNK and CLUNK sounds, Not Thank or Clop sounds. Preludes don't need all those silly after market Braces and sway bars and tower bars. It's built into the body from the start. Szeth might, or might not explain this, but civic's and integra's are paper mache in comparison to the Prelude.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

ludes really arent THAT heavy if you think about it...3rd gens are 2300-2600lbs dependant on trim (4ws, ALB, options, etc.) 4th gens are around 2800-2950lbs, 5th gens are 2900-3050lbs. The heavy end on each of those is because of auto transmissions.

and the H (head + block + trans) isn't that much more heavy...in total its 35lbs heavier than a B...delete the balance shaft and its only 25-30lbs heavier. Thats nothing seeing as the H has way more torque to more than make up for it.
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Next time, Dead sound check both cars. close both car doors, hoods and trunks and record the sound they make. I GUARANTEE YOU The prelude will be making THUNK and CLUNK sounds, Not Thank or Clop sounds. Preludes don't need all those silly after market Braces and sway bars and tower bars. It's built into the body from the start. Szeth might, or might not explain this, but civic's and integra's are paper mache in comparison to the Prelude.

Never knew all of that. I guess that's a good enough reason.

Honda really knew what the hell they were doing when they designed the Prelude. It was designed from the ground up to be a sports car.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

mine is 2800 lbs w/ me in it. :)
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I guess if I wanted a light Prelude I'd get a 3rd gen. lol
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

safety is a big reason also, to go along with better build quality
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Mine says on the title that it weighs about 3,700. Do any of you guys know why? You're saying 4th gens only weigh 2800 or so pounds. So where did the number on ny title come from?
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Mine says on the title that it weighs about 3,700. Do any of you guys know why? You're saying 4th gens only weigh 2800 or so pounds. So where did the number on ny title come from?
Vehicle weights on titles are normally a tax classification reference -- could be that your Prelude falls into the category of cars weighing up to 3700 lbs.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

it's the quality of metal used in the frame and exterior for sure. when you close the door and hood, it's heavy and you know it's made out of much harder metal than the current generation hondas which use an alloy-polymer combination.
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hahahahaha stupid fat 5th gens
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

I always said if a prelude weighted what a civic did nothing would touch it. But imo the weight of the car is what gives you the drive and smoothness. Show me a hatchback or any civic even the brand new ones that handles and hugs the road like my Lude does, because i've yet to see one. My GF bought her 1999 prelude base 2 weeks after i got mine and she loved it, she also owns a 04 civic coupe LX 5spd for her now winter car, there not even on the same sheet of paper im my books.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Well learned a lot lol. But^^^That's my point. An H22 swapped civic is a damn beast no matter what body it's swapped into . I have to admit driving my mother's civic it can be a lot more "all over the road" on rough roads.
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lol last time i weighed mine with me in it with a crap load of tools in the trunk (60lbs worth) amd ,e weighing 150lbs... i dialed in (with a full tank) just under 3000 lbs :p idk if it was super accurate it was an 18 wheeler scale at my dads ware house i believe it went by 10 pound incriments . next time i go to trrack ill weigh for a legitaccurate reading.
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An H22 swapped civic is a damn beast no matter what body it's swapped into .
In a straight line. And so nose-heavy it'll steer itself into the outer fence at the first corner. :)

Preludes tend to be about the same weight as their contemporaries...and these days, they look positively lightweight, as BMW M3s are 3500 lbs!
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My Prelude weighs 2925 mainly cause it's a auto. When I do my swap probably Christmas or January It will be around 2870. People use our 5th gens weight to bash us all the time but it's easy to shave weight off if you really wanted to CF hood/trunk lighter exhaust gutted trunk etc.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Yeah they really aren't that heavy they just aren't extremely nimble, All the new "best" front wheels weight the same Ford focus RS, Megane sport, volkswagon scirroco etc.

I've found that in magazine reviews 5th gens don't like slaloms and I can see this, but a twisty road they handle great. You can also tell 5th gens are strong when you jack it up on one side the doors close the same, not many cars are like this, the reinforcement is worth the weight for crashes and handling. I personally think the prelude should be about 10-20% stiffer with springs rates but still happy with the handling for an old car and how soft it is.
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Yeah they really aren't that heavy they just aren't extremely nimble, All the new "best" front wheels weight the same Ford focus RS, Megane sport, volkswagon scirroco etc.

I've found that in magazine reviews 5th gens don't like slaloms and I can see this, but a twisty road they handle great. You can also tell 5th gens are strong when you jack it up on one side the doors close the same, not many cars are like this, the reinforcement is worth the weight for crashes and handling. I personally think the prelude should be about 10-20% stiffer with springs rates but still happy with the handling for an old car and how soft it is.
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Yeah they really aren't that heavy they just aren't extremely nimble....
You're talking about Preludes? The same car that routinely topped comparison tests in handling? The car that Car and Driver rated as the best-handling FWD car on the planet? The car that still contests E Production at the SCCA Runoffs? Not nimble?! I must have read you wrong. :)

You're right in that technology doesn't stand still...the youngest Preludes are 11 years old. My 4th gen is nearly 21. And most are sporting 10-20 year old suspension bushings, engine mounts, and worse....

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I've found that in magazine reviews 5th gens don't like slaloms and I can see this, but a twisty road they handle great. You can also tell 5th gens are strong when you jack it up on one side the doors close the same, not many cars are like this, the reinforcement is worth the weight for crashes and handling. I personally think the prelude should be about 10-20% stiffer with springs rates but still happy with the handling for an old car and how soft it is.
5th gens changed the way the speed-sensitive power-steering works, and it can get behind on a long, medium-spaced (50-60 ft) slalom. Outside of a road test or an autocross, it's not a factor, and even in the latter it's annoying rather than crippling.

They do handle higher spring rates pretty well, but too much more just makes them skitter across bumps. I've been tempted to run a set of slightly stiffer springs -- I've had a set on the shelf for nearly 10 years, but haven't been motivated to change from stock. Plus, it rides nice as is on long road trips.
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Re: Why are preludes so damn heavy?

Car looks small and somewhat compact from the outside. But then when you go to turn Wrenches on it you can see all the Stuff Honda Sqweezed into that itty bitty frame. **** there is so much under the engine bay that you can barly see sunlight shining through when you do an oil change.
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