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resleeve and piston help.

Haven't done much research because I would've never expected this, but my Car sucked up water today and bent a rod. I'm pissed at myself for going through it. But I can't turn Back time... I'm going to be putting in iron sleeves by a local place here. They're doing my block(hone..etc..) and my head(valve job) all for 1275. Does that sound right? But before that, i have to find out what pistons to go with. Would it be possible to throw back in a 10:1 forged piston without a tune on a stock ecu and still have my car run okay. Might consider turbo in the future, but as of now I cant. Would 9:0:1 compression be okay with out a tune? I really can't afford any kind of tune at the moment if i do need one with 9:0:1. Trying to get it back up and running before winter hits.

I guess, I'm in dire need of help with what pistons and rods I should go with, I have eagle rods and je pistons in mind..

OR should i just do a complete Motor swap? ANy suggestions please. I wanna keep this to a minimal of 2grand. Install not included. Please help.

The car is a 98 Prelude SH. I apologize for any missed info. My mind is cluttered at the moment.

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Re: resleeve and piston help.

So i've made up my mind between these 2. Is it just all personal preference now? any other suggestions. I'll be sticking with 10:0:1 compression.

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Cant find the info, but Deciding on ACL bearings and Honda bearings... Im guessing that the crower rods will accept both? correct me if im wrong.

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Re: resleeve and piston help.

I had my block cleaned and honed, and my head with new valves done for just under $500. If I had sleeved it, it would have been $900 or so, so you're in the right neighborhood.

If you're taking the time for them to sleeve it and going with forged pistons, JE and Wiseco are very reputable and widely used. If you want more power without a tune, you'd better stick to stock compression, and even then, I don't know why you'd want to put in aftermarket rods if you don't plan on boosting or building for quite some time, if ever. I'm putting in 11.5:1 compression and still using stock rods, so if you're worried about cost, I'd stay stock and get OEM rods for >$100 cheaper.
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

i wouldn't run my new setup without a tune
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

While you have everything at the machine shop, I'd have them do more than just the sleeves and valve job. have them pressure check the head and resurface both the head and block if needed, have them polish the crank, get new rod and crank bearings, thrust washers, look into new standard size valves and seals from Ferrea or Supertech since they're doing the valve job, and I'd even have them order the bearings for you and check them before instal just to be safe.
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

thats the price for everything? even sleeves? thats a good price
go with the ACL bearings
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

I will eventually turbo by next year for sure, but at the moment I'm not able to.

If i did run 10:0:1 on a stock ecu, would it suffice for the time being or would it go in limp mode of some sort, i just cant see anything happening because the compression would be the same. I have yet to pull my motor until tomorrow, but if the head is okay, i might not even touch it either until later and build the block first. Rods, Crank, Thrust will be done for sure. And if i did want a tune, i wanted to go the hondata route but also cant afford that yet. lol. =(

what I'm a little confused about are the bearings. I read that OEM bearings are effecient enough but i want to know if the fitment will fit the crower rods(plug-n-play) ACL bearings are also in my mind, but i get fat discounts at a local honda dealer... so whichever is better... im not sure. =/ I'd have to talk to the machine shop thats doing my work and see if they know anything. I know squat about this stuff. Much needed help please.

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thats the price for everything? even sleeves? thats a good price
go with the ACL bearings
Have you used acl bearings before, if so on what rods, any fitment issues? But yes, thats the price for everything. full iron sleeved block and some head work.

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Re: resleeve and piston help.

Heres the plan, going with ACL race Bearings .55mm journal diam., JE pistons 10:0:1, Brian Crower H beam rods, .040 Cometic head gasket. As for Thrust washers, what brand should i get Honda or ACL, havent heard or seen much about it. Otherwise, i might just have to go honda.
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

go with ACL not honda. yea i have ACL bearings on bisimoto F22 rods.
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I have honda bearings
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

Mob5ta - any clearance issues?

Ogsmakdade - what rods do you have Honda bearings on?

I'll most likely stick with Honda bearings since I can get a set at 78 dollars unless told otherwise. :S
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i did have issues but thats because i used a 2.3 crank with f22 rods.
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If your block and head are fine, complete own rebuild and my type-s pistions FTW!! Lol it's a good, cheap, and reliable route to go, check my sig for the pistions ;)
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

My block is definitely not fine, lol. Bent a rod, and since I'm at it, I'm just going to re-sleeve it and build it. Thanks for the offer though, ill give you a pm if plans changes.

But any of you ever heard of kaizenspeed AKA "kstuned.com" From Washington? I called them up and they quoted me for a full rebuild from head to block for $3500 give or take. (ready to drop in). Very tempting.

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is that with parts?
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Re: resleeve and piston help.

mob5ta - not sure, we just briefly talked and to my thinking, it sounded like it included everything unless i misunderstood.

98Vtec - Thats what i was trying to get to. I didnt want to just buy acl bearings and end up not fitting without measuring, I know honda sells specific bearings for specific fits but wasnt sure if it supported aftermarket rods. One question though, I snapped a rod in half in cylinder # 1 sadly and it chipped off a part of my block, you think i can still save it? PIctures below.



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