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Old 09-02-2012, 01:44 AM
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Rebuild or Swap?

I have a 98' Prelude SH that has 156,000 miles on it. Should I rebuild the motor or swap it for a JDM H22A Redtop? I want to spend as little as possible but power is very important. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

156k miles is nothing. I'm at 192k and counting on the stock motor.

Importing a motor can't be cheap so I'd probably say rebuild it. I haven't done either so I can't really be sure which is cheaper. Although the phrase "Cheap-Fast-Reliable. Pick 2" holds true.
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add lsd trans option too
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

A Type S red top will run at least 3k for complete swap including trans. Rebuild should be cheaper if you dont need a trans.
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

I should also put in that I don't want to spend over 2,000
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

Basically, I want my car to run clean, be reliable, but also have a lot of power. Right now my car has a CAI and a Catback exhaust. The power so far is -ehhhh- I would love more power. I'm thinking about running a 55 shot of nitrous or 75 tops if i get the rebuild. If I swap, basic bolt-ons would be what I would be running. Thanks for the input so far!
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

you have to rebuild that swap engine also
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

$2K ain't gonna get you very far in either direction. You've seen the price of a JDM swap, and like TypeT said, you'd wanna check the bearings and cylinders in that, and replace all the seals and gaskets, too.

If you don't plan on traveling with the car, I'd say invest in a stage 1 valvetrain, a header-back exhaust, and a tune for your location.. Even then though, you'd want to do what you can to let it breathe easier, so a different IM might be in order to mate with any camshaft upgrade.

Start researching, and you'll see how far your two grand will take you.

I should put in that I didn't want to spend over $2,000, either :P
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Same motor i got, but using my stock h22a4 tranny

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I should also put in that I don't want to spend over 2,000
and thats about what i spent, with buying the motor, had all the seals replaced, and such and install. maybe a little more but not much.
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

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Same motor i got, but using my stock h22a4 tranny


and thats about what i spent, with buying the motor, had all the seals replaced, and such and install. maybe a little more but not much.
Did you do it at a shop? How are you liking the motor? Is it a noticeable difference from the h22a4?
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

156k???? dude thats nothing! a honda will go well over 300k if you take care of it. put that 2k in upgrades if you want to get to where you have to rebuild or swap it out faster. or what i would do..put that 2k into the places were your car connects to the ground!
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

Well since most people don't agree to either a rebuild or swap right now, what are some good mods that are safe an create the most power?
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

in my own personal experience and my own opinion. if your searching for a lot of power and don't want to run a turbo or supercharger and want to stay N/A but are thinking about running NOS and only able to spend 2k, you're not going to get anywhere close to raw power.
-N/A builds are extensive and expensive, and if you run NOS you still have to have a strong motor to be able to handle it. if you're looking for quick power you're going to pay for it in reliability. You will run across some lucky people saying they run NOS and blah blah blah their stock motor is fine etc etc. but you can't expect that from yours.
once again this is my personal experience. we have so many people come to our shop asking for a quick fix for their "slowness" and we try to explain that it is not possible without sacrificing reliability.

if you want just a little more umph..
-header
-get the head redone
-intake manifold (euro/skunk2/jdm)
-fuel delivery
-intake
-LSD trans
-cams/cam gears
-some tuning

any of these options can help.

even with all of this don't expect too much since our cars are heavy and power to weight ratio can be off. but I've seen people pull off some good builds but you gotta do it right the first time.
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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

For that much, you could do a Blue Top H23A swap.
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what are some good mods that are safe an create the most power?
you have to build your engine almost completely if you want some real power. and you need ~6k for that
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in my own personal experience and my own opinion. if your searching for a lot of power and don't want to run a turbo or supercharger and want to stay N/A but are thinking about running NOS and only able to spend 2k, you're not going to get anywhere close to raw power.
-N/A builds are extensive and expensive, and if you run NOS you still have to have a strong motor to be able to handle it. if you're looking for quick power you're going to pay for it in reliability. You will run across some lucky people saying they run NOS and blah blah blah their stock motor is fine etc etc. but you can't expect that from yours.
once again this is my personal experience. we have so many people come to our shop asking for a quick fix for their "slowness" and we try to explain that it is not possible without sacrificing reliability.

if you want just a little more umph..
-header
-get the head redone
-intake manifold (euro/skunk2/jdm)
-fuel delivery
-intake
-LSD trans
-cams/cam gears
-some tuning

any of these options can help.

even with all of this don't expect too much since our cars are heavy and power to weight ratio can be off. but I've seen people pull off some good builds but you gotta do it right the first time.
Hey, thanks for the advice man! Any other mods that might help me push more power? Or is that pretty much it?
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Did you do it at a shop? How are you liking the motor? Is it a noticeable difference from the h22a4?
I had a shop do it for me. and oh ya, night and day difference between the two.
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What did you end up doing ?, I have a 2000 prelude sh. One of the cylinders blew, so my question is did you replace and is it worth it?

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Re: Rebuild or Swap?

In your case, since you (likely) have the SH style engine, rebuild would likely be the best route.

See, you'd either have to use an imported jdm type motor that bolts to your SH configuration or do a base model conversion.

The imported engine would be a used one that's likely been stored for years so for best results you'd need to swap a buncha gaskets, water pump, timing belt and stuff plus the cost of a rare and desirable (read expensive) engine.
Either that or you buy an H23vtec and a base model tranny and go that route. Both would be used.

By the time you do all that, you'd have spent either nearly as much or as much as having the engine rebuilt. And if you have it done at a proper shop, you'll have a nice 0 mile motor.
I say at a shop figuring if you're asking which way to go you'd likely not be doing your own rebuild.


Btw, thanks for adding to an existing thread and not starting a new one asking the same ole thing.
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