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Old 08-05-2012, 11:19 AM
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What up PZ! Need your help, I searched but couldnt find the answer to my problem so here it is... Whenever driving i press on brakes and it instantly pulls my car towards the front passenger tire. Both front brakes have been bleeded. Somebody told me i have to change my rotors and pads?? Also the front passenger tire is on a doughnut at the moment, could that be the problem? Another thing is that my steering wheel is turned about 25 degrees left whenever i drive straight so obviously i need an alignment. That could also be causing it. Has anybody else had this problem and knows? Thanks.
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Re: Help...Brake problem on my 5th gen

You have a frozen brake caliper on the a front wheel -- sounds like the right wheel. Because the pad is dragging on the rotor all the time, the car pulls to the right, which you're correcting for with the steering wheel. When you step on the brakes, the breaking on both wheels becomes equal, and the car "pulls" straight...or from your point of view, causes you to steer right (actually straightening out the wheels). To check for sure, put the car in neutral, jack up that corner (make sure you chock the back), and rotate the wheel by hand. I'm betting you'll feel resistance, and probably hear the pad on the rotor. If it's not that, try the same thing on the left rear...but I'm betting on the front, especially if the reason you're on the doughnut is because you hit something -- a curb or a pothole -- that may have forced dirt past the caliper seal.

The fix is to rebuild the caliper, or buy a rebuilt or new caliper. Change both rotors and pads on that end, too, because the affected pad and rotor will have been very hot while you've driven around on them, so the pad's at least glazed, and the rotor probably has the heat treatment taken out of it. The other side may be fine, but always replace rotors and pads in pairs. completely flush the brake system -- same as bleeding, but keep pushing out fluid (and pouring it into the master cylinder) from each corner until it runs clean -- if you have dirty fluid in the lines, that'll just cause problems later.
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Re: Help...Brake problem on my 5th gen

Thanks for the help Jamie. Yeah i checked doughnut for resistance it was good, then checked the drivers side and it was the same. Inspected the caliper and rotor no leaks pads not too worn. Then for the hell of it i decided to switch my dads accord wheel with my doughnut. Drove out and went for a roll, pressed brakes and it doesnt pull anymore. I guess that solves the problem. Its not supposed to do that on a doughnut though. But thanks anyways :D
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Re: Help...Brake problem on my 5th gen

Don't ever put a donut on the front. you should never do that..always on the back...move the back wheel to the front and put the donut on the back....if the donut blows in the front it's really hard to control..in the back isn't too bad but still scary.
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Re: Help...Brake problem on my 5th gen

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You have a frozen brake caliper on the a front wheel -- sounds like the right wheel. Because the pad is dragging on the rotor all the time, the car pulls to the right, which you're correcting for with the steering wheel. When you step on the brakes, the breaking on both wheels becomes equal, and the car "pulls" straight...or from your point of view, causes you to steer right (actually straightening out the wheels). To check for sure, put the car in neutral, jack up that corner (make sure you chock the back), and rotate the wheel by hand. I'm betting you'll feel resistance, and probably hear the pad on the rotor. If it's not that, try the same thing on the left rear...but I'm betting on the front, especially if the reason you're on the doughnut is because you hit something -- a curb or a pothole -- that may have forced dirt past the caliper seal.

The fix is to rebuild the caliper, or buy a rebuilt or new caliper. Change both rotors and pads on that end, too, because the affected pad and rotor will have been very hot while you've driven around on them, so the pad's at least glazed, and the rotor probably has the heat treatment taken out of it. The other side may be fine, but always replace rotors and pads in pairs. completely flush the brake system -- same as bleeding, but keep pushing out fluid (and pouring it into the master cylinder) from each corner until it runs clean -- if you have dirty fluid in the lines, that'll just cause problems later.
Way to quick of a call on that one.....should have known better when he said he has a doughnut on the wheel that it pulls to before declaring a new caliper....He could have wasted his money. If the caliper was frozen in a compressed position he would see and smell noticeable smoke from the wheel that it is seized on. The caliper can also be frozen where as it never compresses the rotor and you will see a major buildup or surface rust on the rotor. Way to test that is to hold down the brake and at the same time try to spin the wheel or the suspected caliper. When he hits the brakes the car pulls to the lower side because of the tiny doughnut. Read more thoroughly next time and have him properly diagnose and pinpoint the problem before playing buy the parts until the problem goes away game. Sorry to go off like that, but that kind of misinformed help drives me crazy.

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Thanks for the help Jamie. Yeah i checked doughnut for resistance it was good, then checked the drivers side and it was the same. Inspected the caliper and rotor no leaks pads not too worn. Then for the hell of it i decided to switch my dads accord wheel with my doughnut. Drove out and went for a roll, pressed brakes and it doesnt pull anymore. I guess that solves the problem. Its not supposed to do that on a doughnut though. But thanks anyways :D
Good work man. Also, if the doughnut is a different size it will absolutely pull which is normal due to the way smaller size.

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Don't ever put a donut on the front. you should never do that..always on the back...move the back wheel to the front and put the donut on the back....if the donut blows in the front it's really hard to control..in the back isn't too bad but still scary.
Very true hunter, I can understand it being on the front at first, but it should be moved to the back later on if it is going to be on for a couple days. I do this for a living 6 days a week over 60 hours and I can tell you that almost every car that comes in with a doughnut is way under inflated. Talk about dangerous.
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Re: Help...Brake problem on my 5th gen

I saw a clasmate of mine driving her civic one day and naturally i looked over at her....then i notcied she had a donut on the front. when she stopped at the light i told her it was hardly filled. she pulled over and we put my spare on her car. (driving my sister's 4th gen with a 4 bolt uni rim for spare.) got to a gas station and filled the donut up and swapped it to the back. got a nice thank you and her number. ended up dating her for 6 months. 4 bolt Lude for the win...still love my 5th gen tho.

i'm pretty sure it says on the donut not to put it on the front.
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I saw a clasmate of mine driving her civic one day and naturally i looked over at her....then i notcied she had a donut on the front. when she stopped at the light i told her it was hardly filled. she pulled over and we put my spare on her car. (driving my sister's 4th gen with a 4 bolt uni rim for spare.) got to a gas station and filled the donut up and swapped it to the back. got a nice thank you and her number. ended up dating her for 6 months. 4 bolt Lude for the win...still love my 5th gen tho.

i'm pretty sure it says on the donut not to put it on the front.
Yea, most of them are to be filled at 60psi and cannot go faster than 50mph. Idk if it says that on the doughnut itself, maybe in the owners manual lol.
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Yeah i took mine and filled it with some Barryman. (better than slime because it's good for 10 years.) never leaks.

i put that stuff in my quad tires 2 years ago and run over thorn bushes all the time without any leaks. good stuff
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Read more thoroughly next time and have him properly diagnose and pinpoint the problem before playing buy the parts until the problem goes away game. Sorry to go off like that, but that kind of misinformed help drives me crazy.
Gave him the diagnostic to check it...start at the part that says "To check for sure...." Which he did, found I'd picked the wrong possibility, and moved on. We could put in a disclaimer that says "any diagnosis on a car we haven't seen and may be not be maintained or equipped to factory standards is a best guess based on the information provided."

Or, (and I'm only half-kidding here), we could set up a forum specifically for those who want a professional best-web-guess, and the rest of us use it as a learning forum...would be extra time for you and a few others, but would keep your blood pressure down. Always willing to watch and learn....
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