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Out of ideas Houston

alright fellas, i'm stuck, Honda couldn't figure out what was wrong and decided exhaust system was clogged after the CAT. So i order a replacement muffler and at the exhaust shop when they take all the old stuff off, i even have them take the resonator off thinking that maybe it's plugged up possibly, NOPE, no restriction found. I essentially just dropped 400$ today that i most likely DIDNT have to. But it's ****in gone, and it is what it is. I'm out of ideas. So who here on PZ knows anybody around the north houston/conroe TX area that has enough information and can direct me to somewhere to take my prelude. It's getting damn close to just getting what i can out of it, and try and find another hoopty to drive. I don't have the patience anymore.
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All prelude owners have issues and want to chuck their S#!T from time to time.
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yea, you're certainly not alone on that one
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

doesn't take away from the fact that i'm still out almost a grand and it's NOT fixed
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

what is your car doing? like what was the car acting like to make you think your exhaust was clogged?
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Give us some information on what your car is doing. Maybe someone here has that same experience that they already solved.
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

started two weeks ago wednesday, driving home it was fine out of the gate, but would sound like it was bogging back through the intake, and NO power, terrible acceleration. let it sit, and next morning got back and drove like normal, no issues, then about 5 mins in it went back to really terrible acceleration and the bogging sound. I've replaced the cap, rotor, fuel filter, ignition module on account of when it was REALLY bad it would only rev up to 3k then just drop off after it warmed up. Taking the old unit out i found ZERO heat sink compound on it. So got the new one in and got my rpm range back at all temps but the low power issue was still there. The CAT has been rattling its ass off since i bought the car, so that 250$ bite i at least NEEDED to take. First shop couldn't find anything wrong so i broke down and took it to HONDA!?!?! They couldn't figure it out either, and were convinced the exhaust was clogged somehow somewhere from that first CAT failing. After a replacement muffler assembly and 100$ in labor into them for diagnostics i'm at the point we're at now. At least a grand out of my pocket for an issue that has YET to be resolved. Just got back from a guy that clearly knew his HONDAS and essentially narrowed it back down to the coil and wires. So i'm about to swap those, if it doesn't do the trick then i'm right back to square one. He did say after looking at it that timing was off, but HONDA again had checked that, along with cleaning out the throttle body and swapping/testing the MAP sensor. It runs, and drives, don't get me wrong, but it feels so gutless it wouldn't pull itself out of a downhill tunnel. SO HERE WE GO! MORE CASH TO FEED THE BEAST!!!

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Re: Out of ideas Houston

Just thinking out loud here...

Could it be something related to the heat of your engine? It sounds like something is happening after everything gets warmed up. That would explain the fine out the gate then bogging down after a few minutes thing.
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

that's how it started and after all this time it's like that on cold startup or after it reaches temp, just swapped wires and coil, no change at all, oh sure it's idling a little better!! But still the same ****ty acceleration, and to beat all i can still get it up to 5k+ and still hit VTEC!?!? Dude at last place it was looked out saying the distributor is done for, saying he had about the same issue after he swapped motors in his hatch. So away i go, looking for a distributor and hoping i can afford it. He did mention timing, but for this issue to just come around slowly over the course of about two days, and just stay there, still driveable and before any of this it ran perfect, no issues with driveability.
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Dude I know exactly how you feel. I thought about actually listing my prelude for sale last week but I don't think I could find a replacement that would satisfy me like the prelude does. Trust me, after all is done and the car is back to normal, you'll be happy you kept the car.
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it is your timing. talk to the tech who checked it at honda and ask him if he checked your cam and crank sensors. if he says yes without hesitating then ask him where they are at specifically to make sure he really did test them and he's not just saying so to get rid of you. sometimes theyre in the timing belt area, and sometimes theyre in the distributor. thats why the other guy told you your distributor was shot. its not the dist itself, its the sensor inside it. i had a similar bogging situation with my 02 civic. and that's what caused it. the sensor material got demagnetized from heat and stopped pulsing properly. i cant guarantee that's what your problem is but its something to consider.
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The guy i had looking at it last night is pretty convinced the timing jumped by some magic reason?!?! I'm a dumb **** when it comes to these motors, it's been a learning experience since i bought this ride. Can they jump timing? And the crank sensor was actually one of the first things i went after when it started acting stupid on me. Found them in my repair manual, and they're down around the crank itself. It's a 4 pin connector and i checked it after driving it to warm up and make sure it was still running stupid. I ohmed them out and they check out fine, within spec, while warm. So i've gotta get back to this guy and i would imagine tearing back into the timing to see if it is indeed off, by how much, and how much of a PHUCKED deal i'm currently finding myself in.
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Yhea the hydraulic tensioners tend to fail and it can jump time. which does cause ****ty accelleration.
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

Can it get to where its progressive, then once it gets ****ty it just stays there? Its still just blowing my god damn mind how i had no problems at all, then over the course of two days it gets so jacked that its driveable, but you know something is NOT right, engine vs injection and ignition timing is just pourin fuel and NOT burning it, plugs are black as can be, and the belt being changed by NTB at 180k when i bought the car with 198k on the clock, just cant wrap my head around it
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

Check timing.


Have you checked your flex pipe to see if it collapsed?


Distributor sensor could be bad - as mentioned.


Have you done a compression test?



Do you have any CEL's? - does your CEL even work to know if you have any or not?



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Gonna look into checking the timing, but that still scratches me with the HONDA DEALERSHIP saying they checked that while they had it, but the last guy i had take a look says its off, id like to say ive solved any possible exhaust problems as theres plenty of pressure coming out of that pipe, even more so now that i just gave honda 300$ for a new muffler assembly i clearly didnt need, but its on and the money's still gone anyway. We were bumping it over to check TDC and thats when he scoped down to the crank pulley and noticed that it was off, and the way this guy was all over this H22 i believe him, he didnt notice any issues with compression, and hooking into my OBD port showed random multiple misfire, and specific misfires, but that was due to pulling wires while it was running, and yes this thing is BONE STOCK!! im talkin so stock it still has the OE cd player in it . . . We keeps it original for the ladies, but after wasting all this money an aftermarket head unit is the LAST thing on any list i could thunk to make, now its into the realm of "damn, will i have rent this next month or not?"
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

if ur having random misfires you probably need a new dizzy not just cap n rotors
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If it skipped timing, more than likely you could have bent valves. On our engine, 1 tooth off could over time cause that. I was throwing random misfire codes and cylinder misfire codes before I pulled the head and found all 8 exhaust valves were bent. If it sounds like it's backfiring into the intake, your intake valves could be bent from the intake cam skipping a tooth or 2 on the belt, causing the valves to slap against the face of the piston, eventually bending the valve at the point where it inserts into the valve guide.

The way to check the timing is to remove your spark plugs, and valve cover (so you can see the tops/sides of the cam gears). Rotate the crank pulley counter-clockwise until cylinder 1 is at TDC. You can verify this by pulling the rubber boot to the left of the exhaust manifold on the face of the block (shaped like an upside-down T), and lining up the tick mark on the flywheel with the arrow inside the hole). Check your timing marks on the cam gears. There are small tick marks on the cam gears, and they will be even with the top of the cylinder head, similar to this:

-O- -O-

The dash marks are the tick marks on the cam gears, and the O is the cam gear itself.

If the cam gears are misaligned, bent valves could be the culprit. My engine seemed to idle fine when cold, but as soon as it was nearing operating temperature and the idle began dropping, the car started missing and would eventually stall out.
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Re: Out of ideas Houston

Are missfire codes the only ones you're throwing?


If it's not a timing or dizzy related issue - next thing i'd think of is EGR ports, but you would be throwing an egr related code if that were the case.




Bent valves are a possibility as mentioned, but i'd assume you would have heard an unusual tapping by now
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First thing i went after was egr valve, plunger wasnt stuck but cleaned it anyway, no egr codes, and no excessive tapping or sound coming from the valvetrain, even checked valves was the first thing i did when i started troubleshooting this thing myself, all timing marks lined up for each and every cylinder, and set intake at .007 and exhaust at .007, spec was loose for intake and dead middle for exhaust, adjusted cold, none were any more than .001 off of spec but adjusted them anyway since i went through the trouble of diving into the bastard, and starts and idles fine, just gutless when i get into the throttle, so with my engine not firing on time its not burning all the fuel per intake charge, hence the new plugs as black as they are now
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And yes, so far all ive found are random misfire codes
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I never heard much from my valves though all 8 exhaust valves were bent. You won't hear them if they are ever so slightly bent, but it was enough to cause the car to idle terribly and die out. You can still adjust the valves and think everything is ok even though they are bent. I'm not saying your problem is bent valves, it's just a possibility. When did your problems start? Did you over rev and bounce off the limiter, or mis shift or anything to cause the car to rev high? Be honest here, no one will bash you, we are here to help.
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nope, never missed a shift, or over revved. It started progressively over the course of about two days two weeks ago last wednesday. I rarely push this thing on account of the over 200k on the clock. Granted i would get into VTEC on the rare occasion of maybe twice a week, but never rev past 7k. And it idles fine, even after it's at temp idle is still okay and driveability while just coasting with no throttle load is fine too. Is there some kind of magnetic sensor in the distributor by chance?? and if so, any of you guys have a spec to check resistance on it? I actually had the notion to go after my crank sensor when all of this began. Checked through my manual and found the spec for them, checked them after test driving a good while to get some heat on them and when i checked ohms on the 4pin connector they ohmed out well within spec. Cuz when this started it would drive fine for a bit, nice strong and smooth acceleration, then start with the bogging and terribad acceleration.
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last guy i had looking at it is convinced it's down to timing now, so i'm limping it back to his place later today. Finally found a test and spec for the sensor in the dizzy, and it'll be good and warm when i get there, so if that thing is way the crap out of whack then at least i may have a little better idea WTF IS MAKING THIS THING DRINK STUPID JUICE!?!?!?!
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Dizzy replaced, codes cleared and test drove . . . NOPE! same issue, ****e acceleration engine bogging and popping back through the intake, so if i absolutely had to tally this back up i'd say i'm a solid 1,200.00 into this thing and it isn't fixed. So i'm pretty much calling it since i can't keep doing this, and i need reliable transportation. Contacting whoever i need to, 99' lude for sale . . . engine aint right, but hey, so long as it's not my problem anymore right??
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So... did anyone check the timing....
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it's somewhere else right now, hitting up a few dealerships tomorrow, might hear back on word with the lude, but need to keep bases covered if it's gonna be something significant, cuz i'm fckn tapped out, my head hurts, and i have to be at work in the morning, then at work for job number two come saturday morning, night all
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