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Old 07-17-2012, 10:00 PM
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Rear speaker question

I recently read somewhere, some kind of press release giving a but load of info on our Preludes. I read our stock rear speakers have some kind of microphone in them that listens to the music and takes out any crappy sounding stuff, or something like that. So does that mean I loose that function when I get aftermarket speakers? their starting to go out back there and sound like crap.
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Re: Rear speaker question

I feel like changing out the head unit would lose that function... could very easily be wrong tho.
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Re: Rear speaker question

i do think you loose the acoustic feed back function when you change the rear speakers out or the head unit. i personally don't run any rear speakers beacause they were cancelling out my front speakers some.
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Re: Rear speaker question

Yeah I don't wanna change the head unit mainly cause aftermarket wouldn't match the OEM orange at night lol. What is the acoustic feed back? What does it do compared to not having it?
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Re: Rear speaker question

From what i remember it adjusts the volume to remove static or feed back from the speakers at high volume to make the music clearer. I didn't find it made that much of a difference but i did install a full system with in 2 weeks of buying the car so didn't have it long enough to really test it out.

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Re: Rear speaker question

I noticed that despite losing the electronic trickery when I changed out my source unit the overall quality improved because of the superior source quality.

And even some second-bottom shelf aftermarket speakers will do a better job tbh. For what was a premium car in 2000 I was pretty disappointed with the standard sound.
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Re: Rear speaker question

I know that everyone has their own preferences but are there any specific speakers that you guys would recommend? My rear speakers are basically at the point of needing to be replaced also, along with the front since they are stock. Only thing that my car has so far is alpine HU from previous owner. I want to go with a set up without a sub if that's possible so that I wont have to lose out on trunk space. That is pretty cool about the oem audio set up though, which i've never got to use if it requires the stock HU.
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Re: Rear speaker question

So if I replace my OEM speakers with some aftermarket speakers I won't loose any quaility?
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So if I replace my OEM speakers with some aftermarket speakers I won't loose any quaility?
You would more than likely get a better quality sound because of a better speaker.
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Re: Rear speaker question

I'm guessing with technology from new speakers available now, vs our 97-01 set up, that any good aftermarket worth buying would be better.
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Ah okay cool thanks! Im thinking of getting Sony Xplod speakers I have them in my front speakers and they do pretty good.
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I know that everyone has their own preferences but are there any specific speakers that you guys would recommend? My rear speakers are basically at the point of needing to be replaced also, along with the front since they are stock. Only thing that my car has so far is alpine HU from previous owner. I want to go with a set up without a sub if that's possible so that I wont have to lose out on trunk space. That is pretty cool about the oem audio set up though, which i've never got to use if it requires the stock HU.
Your best bet would be to go to your local shop and listen to the type of music you like in a bunch of different speakers and pick the ones you like best. Everybody has different opions on what the best speaker. I'm running hertz component sets in the doors and they have a amazing sound but run around $450 a set.
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Your best bet would be to go to your local shop and listen to the type of music you like in a bunch of different speakers and pick the ones you like best. Everybody has different opions on what the best speaker. I'm running hertz component sets in the doors and they have a amazing sound but run around $450 a set.
I'm pretty much into all music except country lol. The way I look at it is I would rather spend the cash and get the top of the line, especially since I plan on keeping my prelude forever if possible. It would be cool to get a set up with just good speakers, but have the option to add subs etc to that later on with the same speakers.
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You guys know that most head units above 150.00 have the ability to fine tune any set of speakers you have. Stop choosing those "preselected" setups, I do not know what audiophile would keep using them, unless you just need an emergency setting when you just bought the radio.

It is the user's choice to go out there and buy speakers to match said head unit. If you have bigger 2 way speakers in the deck, and two ways in the door, you could put 3 way speakers in the front doors for more range and keep strong mids in the rear. With the right tuning, those speakers could deliver better than a kit slapped together by any OEM, minus subwoofer systems, but also the head unit can further fine tune the factory speakers too.

Most car companies make a "no guesswork" setup and let the mini amps within the car power the speakers. (if so equipped.) by the time some one puts a sub box into a car, they tune that sub to pound out beats, rather than augment the natural sound so the sound wave canceling is pretty moot.
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I know that everyone has their own preferences but are there any specific speakers that you guys would recommend? My rear speakers are basically at the point of needing to be replaced also, along with the front since they are stock. Only thing that my car has so far is alpine HU from previous owner. I want to go with a set up without a sub if that's possible so that I wont have to lose out on trunk space. That is pretty cool about the oem audio set up though, which i've never got to use if it requires the stock HU.
I don't have any first hand experience on them, but I frequently hear about Infinity Kappa's and how strong their bass is with a good amp/head unit powering them. I have Focal speakers all around with a JL Slash 300/4 amp powering them. When I took out my sub and retuned that amp, bass was just so so. The higher frequency bass notes sounded good, but the super lows were pretty weak, which was to be expected.
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Why would anyone remove the rear speakers! if the rears are over powering the fronts, just use the front to rear fader control o the head unit. (that's what it is for) set it at 70% front 30% rear. Top tip is to seal off all the air holes in the metal shelf with duck tape.
With my set up i don't really need the rear speakers. The imprint processor was struggling to complete set up with the rear speakers hooked up. And my component set has more than enough mid range for me to loose the rear speakers. I wouldn't remove them with just the factory system in the car still.
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if you keep the oem HU but change to aftermarket speakers you have to remove the mic from each rear oem speakers and attach it somewhere in the trunk because without the mic the back speakers will hardly put out any sound. the system was a great idea for its time but only if you have stock speakers AND the stock HU. i had mine like this for a few months before i changed the unit and it sounded better than before just because of the quality of the speakers. i can make a thread on how i did this if you'd be interested.
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^Isn't that why you bypass the whole Acoustic thing? To get sound back in the rear speakers? Im kinda confused with all that speaker talk up there lol, Im not a huge sound system person and don't really care about top of the line speakers since I don't listen to music much but when I do I want a simple nice clean sound without making my wallet flat.
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^Isn't that why you bypass the whole Acoustic thing? To get sound back in the rear speakers? Im kinda confused with all that speaker talk up there lol, Im not a huge sound system person and don't really care about top of the line speakers since I don't listen to music much but when I do I want a simple nice clean sound without making my wallet flat.
You don't have to break the bank getting speakers, but if you get a head unit that can do 50 or 55 rms watts / channel, look for the cheapest speakers to utilize that power. and yes the translation of audiophile to english is damn near impossible you just need to take some time and look though audio forums to catch on.
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This is confusing lol. Okay so I have Sony Xplod speakers in my front ones, stock tweeters, If I get Sony xplod speakers for my rear and by pass the Acoustic stuff would I'd be fine with the stock head unit? Just for a while to get more money then with those speakers what would be the best yet cheapest head unit?
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I'd leave the setup the way it is till you can buy exactly what you want. Sound might not be the best, but you still have it. Checkout best buy audio, they are liquidating head units right now. You might be able to snag a kenwood on the cheap.

Also as a warning, stay away from people who have poured hundreds of dollars into audio systems, some just threw money at a audio store and not know what they are talking about. They say stupid crap like "there is some distortion in the lows" , and try to influence you to buy stuff you really don't need. Hold off unless your speakers are broken.
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if you keep the oem HU but change to aftermarket speakers you have to remove the mic from each rear oem speakers and attach it somewhere in the trunk because without the mic the back speakers will hardly put out any sound. the system was a great idea for its time but only if you have stock speakers AND the stock HU. i had mine like this for a few months before i changed the unit and it sounded better than before just because of the quality of the speakers. i can make a thread on how i did this if you'd be interested.
THERE IS NO MICROPHONE -- period.

the so-called feedback system works by monitoring the constantly changing inductance (read resistance) of the transducer (read: Speaker) as it is, yes, constantly changing. Since the stock system has specific, KNOWN, parameters the sampling circuitry in the amplifier is able to make minute on the fly adjustments.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:58 AM
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Re: Rear speaker question

I know a bit about the rear speakers and some other important things that need to be noted when upgrading your front and rear speakers. I had it most of what I could think of typed up and tried to post it, but the site had logged me out and I lost that info that I typed. Since it is late I do not wish to recreate such texts this evening, I will try again tomorrow, I re-word it better and re-categorize my points. In the mean time I encourage you to ask any questions you might have regarding this subject and I will try my best to answer the ones that I have knowledge of.

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Re: Rear speaker question

there most definitely is a microphone on each speaker that listens to the discrepancies in the sound and fixes it if you have the stock HU and speakers. and i apologize for the cryptic language in my earlier post
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Re: Rear speaker question

Alright, as promised I will attempt to transcribe my knowledge of the speakers in the 5th Gen Prelude Base/SH or at least what I've encountered with new speaker installations.

About the Rear Speakers:
1) As "98_LuDeMaN" Has stated there IS a microphone on each rear speaker on the metal housing. They can be seen from the trunk area. They are connected to the red and black wires.

2) Both speakers are running in mono output from the OEM Mini-Amp. They are also "2 ohm" speakers. This is Important to note if you are planning to connect aftermarket speakers to the Mini-Amp outputs.

3) The OEM Mini-Amp is(guessing) designed to run efficiently and will produce more power at 2 ohms vs. 4 ohm(Common speaker rating).

4) OEM HU, I believe, is sending more power to the rear speakers than the front, when not using the OEM Mini-Amp, and instead using the HU outputs before the Mini-Amp.

5) Be careful of how big the magnet is on your new speakers, or also of their mounting depth. Too deep up front and you might have to cut out the speaker cage to make room. And for the rear speakers, if the magnet is too wide or is low enough the torsion beam suspension for the Deck/Trunk lid will come into contact with the left speaker magnet. This could cause damage to the trunk suspension and/or to your speaker.

6) IMO as aforementioned the rear speakers are in mono output at 2 ohms, which if you consider how most subwoofers are wired, they usually are running mono amp output at 2 ohms or so(depends on your set up, less ohms is more power to the speaker if your amp can handle it). With that said, my theory is that the rear speakers were actually meant to act as a pair of pseudo-subwoofers in place of real ones to preserve trunk space. Although they couldn't be just for bass otherwise they would loose the high and mid frequency reproduction in the rear of the vehicle.

7) OEM HU outputs are Stereo. My new 6x9's sound amazing, but the bass is different... oh I think I just realized what the AFBS helps with the most, it helps you the be able to hear clear bass notes in the sitting position of the cabin. My new speakers throw all the sound in front of me and it stays near the dash/windshield area and I can only hear the note that seen to resonate with parts of the car, lol... :(

8) Also, IMO the AFBS affects the sound of the rear speakers ONLY. since there doesn't seem to be any wires leading to the HU to adjust the sound for the front speakers.

Well I'm pretty sure that is most of it, but I'm sure there is more to add, just can't think of it right now. Hope this helps!

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Re: Rear speaker question

So the microphones are suppose to be connected to those red/black wires on each side? I got my Prelude like this and their just dangling not connected to anything? I've always seen them and kept looking to see where they connect but I never worried about it since everything worked just fine. I can take a pic tomorrow. So does this mean the whole acoustic thing is not working in my car cause of that? Maybe that explains some fuzzyness when I raise up my speakers?
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Yes this is very likely the culprit, mine are connected to those wires. The same distortion happened to me after I transferred the microphone and all to my new speakers, but they are 4 ohms so the amp couldn't operate properly. But I will also attribute the upper level distortion to having a 4 ohm speaker hooked up, and a mono signal to a 3-way speaker.

Consider that the speakers and Mini-Amp were produced specifically for this car, and the other ones that were lucky enough to have it back in the day.

I would recommend that you not hook it up unless you have the OEM rear speakers. It seems that the heavier/thicker materials of newer speakers might not let as much sound through to the microphone and the mini-amp won't be able to do its job properly. I think that the only manufacturer that has 2 ohm 6x9's is Infinity Audio. I've look for others, but that was a long time ago, and I gave up when I could only find the Infinity speakers, they can be expensive.

Overall, I would say that you will get a better bass response from the rear speakers and it should eliminate the "fuzz" in the higher levels. Of course that is if the OEM Mini-Amp is operating properly.


HMU regarding any more questions on this subject.

Happy Wiring, hope it goes well for you,

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Re: Rear speaker question

Yeah I have stock rear speakers. How do I wire them back up??
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Re: Rear speaker question

Nevermind the person who cut it taped the wire to the speaker wiring Im gonna wire it back up tomorrow It still have the acoustic box thingy so Im hoping the previous owner didn't screw any of it up I don't wanna buy new speakers since mine aren't going out yet.
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