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Advice on timing belt/seals

In dealing with our Honda dealer, and their record of screw ups, I need response from fellow Luders. In trying to trace an oil leak, first small one at the seal for the axle where it enters the transmission-fixed.
Second suspect are seal/s behind the timing belt cover which they suspect is one or more seals found in there. Apparently the timing belt (they were already paid to replace) is likely oil saturated. Their claim is to replace one or all of the 5 seals and do the work for $1100. Their first thought was an oil cooler o-ring seal. Now this. Are the two in the same area that they would have stumbled upon it? Apparently there's oil coming from the timing cover...? Is this a fair price for the work/parts to be done? I've requested a breakdown of all of it. I've a fair amount of mechanical ability-better at disassembly- but think this not something I want to try to tackle. Your advice?
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Re: Advice on timing belt/seals

The Cam seals and Crank seals are the most common to leak, as well as the front balance shaft seal (not as common as the first 2). You might as well replace them all while you're in there. It's not fun doing a timing belt job 2 or 3 times repeatedly! The oil cooler I believe sits right underneath the oil filter (the filter screws into it).
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Re: Advice on timing belt/seals

yeah seals cam and crank seals, rocker cover gasket.

manual tensioner or atleast a new auto tentioner, new crank pulley bolt.
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Re: Advice on timing belt/seals

I think my cam seals are leaking too. 1100 to fix some seals? holy cow You can buy all of the seals for maybe 100 bucks but really I have no idea how much they cost lol but defiantly not 1100. I know the cam seals 2 on timing belt side maybe 20-30 bucks to fix one called a cam cap seal behind the vtec solenoid 20 bucks to fix. But you do need to remove the timing belt to fix the seals so maybe that's why the price is up there.
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Re: Advice on timing belt/seals

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atleast a new auto tentioner
No. There have been incidents where brand new auto tensioners fail shortly after being installed -> bent valves -> rebuild head $$$$. Get the H23 manual tensioner or Kaizenspeed Manual tensioner.

The thing is, the dealer may not want to install something that isn't OEM Honda that came with the car (insurance purposes). So, if you do end up getting it done by the dealer, it is likely that your only option is to replace the auto-fail tensioner. If that is the case, I'd try to find a reputable shop to do it or try DIY. There are plenty of timing belt write-ups that also include the replacement of the seals in that area.

$1100 seems like a lot, but they have to charge you for another timing belt job, plus the seals that are leaking, so that sounds about accurate for stealership rates.

You can order the seals online from Majestic Honda or Sons Honda for cheaper than you would be able to get them at your local dealership.

I would try to find a friend who is familiar with this to lend a hand and DIY for probably 1/2 of the cost of the dealership.

Majestic

This is the write-up I followed: How-To:Timing Belt/Seals Replacement

Very Detailed. Every step is explained.

Good luck with whatever you decide!
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Re: Advice on timing belt/seals

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I think my cam seals are leaking too. 1100 to fix some seals? holy cow You can buy all of the seals for maybe 100 bucks but really I have no idea how much they cost lol but defiantly not 1100. I know the cam seals 2 on timing belt side maybe 20-30 bucks to fix one called a cam cap seal behind the vtec solenoid 20 bucks to fix. But you do need to remove the timing belt to fix the seals so maybe that's why the price is up there.


Well if they're doing it the CORRECT way they're basically doing an entire timing belt and water pump job(average of $700), in addition to new seals.
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Re: Advice on timing belt/seals

w00t.. thanks schmitty for linking that write up.. ive seen others but not nearly as detailed.. seems like alot of the comments on the post were.. OH HELL NO.. Im the complete opposite 700$ my ass bring that shizzle on!! Looks like a good weekend of beer, tools, and my engine in pieces. :p soooon
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