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Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

Hey guys. I know I've posted several threads about what I should do with my car and whatnot but now I finally have some income and am thinking of what to do next. I thought I had a suspension problem a while back but I don't feel the bouncy feeling I used to and if stays that way, I'm not going to worry about buying new coilovers anytime soon. So instead, I'm going to go ahead and install a new exhaust system and I need some opinions. I found a really good sounding setup on YouTube and I think it's a pretty good setup performance wise but that's where you pro's come in. I've never messed with anything under the hood yet so I definitely need advice.

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His setup is custom 2.25 inch piping, Magnaflow high flow cat, cherry bomb glass pack resonator, and greddy ti-c muffler.

My plan is to get Megan headers and downpipe, magnaflow high flow cat, cherry bomb resonator, and the Greddy Ti-C muffler. Now since I know nothing about exhaust, let me ask if I understand this right. You have you header, then your downpipe, then catalytic converter, then some piping to the resonator, then the cat-back and exhaust? Or how exactly does it all fit together? I really like the tone this guy has and I want to get the Greddy Ti-C muffler but I thought the muffler was just the "tank" shaped peice on the end and the tip? http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm...c_dual_z33.jpg But when I search for the Greddy Ti-C I get a bunch of piping and the parts I'm thinking of (http://www.tunersdepot.com/Images/Gr...-45-Ti_C_m.jpg

Can someone help explain to me what I need to buy and what not. Is there extra piping I have to get? And is the Greddy Ti-C cat-back (i think thats the right term) really freaking $600? For just that? I would think the whole shabang would be that much. I know the Megan racing headers are around $200 new but that also includes the downpipe. Another question I have is: Are Megan headers a good choice compared to DC or any other brand? Or should I get something else?

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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

tbh vibrant header and custom 3 inch exhaust. worth it since u have no testing in ur state
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

What about the catalytic converter, resonator, and exhaust/muffler? And what do you mean by "testing". I need laymans terms, I'm a noob. haha
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

muffler u can get anything you like. my boy used to run no cat and an 18 inch resonator. you could get a high flow cat aswell, not sure of brands though
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

So would a Greddy Ti-C muffler work? And would I buy just the muffler tip (http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm...c_dual_z33.jpg)? Or do I buy this whole $600 thing (http://www.tunersdepot.com/Images/Gr...-45-Ti_C_m.jpg)?

I'm still somewhat confused as to how it all fits together and whatnot.
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

it would work



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3" DUAL SLANT TITANIUM BURNT TIP STAINLESS STEEL EXHAUST MUFFLER | eBay


and then get 3 inch piping. 3 inch makes more power on h22, just a little more but if you are going to get tuned and stay all motor its worth it. get the vibrant header too thats what im going to get its a little more money then megan/dc but you actually get gains from it
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

I'm honestly not going for power as much as I am sound. I probably should've mentioned that earlier. I want a deep low tone like in that video. I'm not trying to go race my car or anything, especially with an auto. Haha
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

true, get the greddy then i got one on mine and it sounds real nice. just get a good header and not megan/dc ect, might as well do it once and be done with it
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

Absolutely. So back to initial question. I need to get Vibrant headers. Do they come with downpipes or will those need to be custom 3'' too? And then from there it goes to the catalytic? (I need to have one due to emissions, I think). Then more piping to the resonator? Correct? And then from there to the muffler? So if I were to buy the Greddy Ti-C exhaust that's like $600, that takes care of everything past the resonator? I just need custom 3" piping from the downpipe to the resonator?
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I need to get Vibrant headers.
what youre going to do with that other one?

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Do they come with downpipes or will those need to be custom 3'' too? And then from there it goes to the catalytic? (I need to have one due to emissions, I think). Then more piping to the resonator? Correct?
ya, you have to do some custom piping from the header downpipe to the cat (get a couple extra flanges for this operation). if that greddy catback is 60mm piping why do you need 3" pipe?

and get 2,5"/3" cat depending what size exhaust youre getting

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I just need custom 3" piping from the downpipe to the resonator?
you dont really need 3" exhaust, 2,5" will do just fine

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I'm honestly not going for power as much as I am sound.
3" is more louder than 2,5"

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what youre going to do with that other one?

3" is more louder than 2,5"
I'm not sure what I'll do with the stock one. Maybe keep it? Who knows. And yeah, I was probably going to get 2.5". I heard that 3" will sound raspy.
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http://www.preludezone.com/group-buy...el-header.html

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I'm not sure what I'll do with the stock one. Maybe keep it?
its vibrant headeR not headers, youre just getting one of them
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Yeah check out greedy they have pretty nice exhausts. :) Theres a couple different brands I kinda don't see a big difference in sound
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Theres a couple different brands I kinda don't see a big difference in sound
all of those which have that big size exhaust tip and straight through flowing end can kinda sounds the same
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its vibrant headeR not headers, youre just getting one of them
Haha my bad, my bad. I know there difference but header just sounds so... weird in my head. Bad habit :P

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all of those which have that big size exhaust tip and straight through flowing end can kinda sounds the same
So really, I could get a Megan exhaust tip and it sound the same on that setup as a Greddy? For the most part?
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So really, I could get a Megan exhaust tip and it sound the same on that setup as a Greddy? For the most part?
pretty much

just get some 60mm cat back and youll be just fine
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I think you should just copy my build :3
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pretty much

just get some 60mm cat back and youll be just fine
Oh so instead of buying the whole $600 shabang, just go to a muffler shop and have em cut me some 60mm piping from the cat to the tip and just drop a Greddy/Megan tip on the end?

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I think once you get 10 posts or something, you can post your build thread buddy :) I think when you added pictures to your post, it bugged out. Try posting a reply with a picture on it. Go to "Add Reply" and it'll take you to a more advanced reply box. You'll see a little yellow icon with a mountain on it. Click it and paste a URL to some picture. See if you can do that. If not then you're bugged or you have to have 10 posts or something.
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

Cherry Bomb resonators are pretty useless


Never rely on a Youtube video for sound - especially on an exhaust


Greddy pipe is 2.3" - you're better off just getting a custom 2.5" pipe done at a local shop, with your choice of resonator and muffler.


I had a Vibrant 18"long 2.5" inlet/outlet 4" center resonator on my Greddy Evo2 and it sounded much better than the exhaust did from Greddy.


No cat = more rasp


Megan header is junk and won't change anything but a dent in your wallet - Go with Vibrant.


Vibrant is not a straight bolt and go - it requires a shop to install and extend a pipe from the flex to reach the catalyst.


The Greddy TI-C exhaust you posted a video of has a bit of rasp in person.


No matter what header you go with (assuming you go with a decent one, which will have a 2.5" collector) You will want to upgrade your catalyst to a 2.5" inlet/outlet so you're not bottlenecking the system. Magnaflow and Vibrant sell catalysts but they're not "cheap" - be sure to get a catalyst that is OBD2 if you are remaining OBD2.


2.5" is, in my opinion, the best size for sound since it's easily controllable vs a 3" system - where you would be fighting sound control until you found the right combination of parts to get the sound you want.

3" would be good for power, but you already stated you're just looking for sound. If you weren't interested in getting a header, i would normally just suggest getting any catback exhaust that you want for around $600 - but due to you wanting an aftermarket header, it'd be a waste of money

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Oh so instead of buying the whole $600 shabang, just go to a muffler shop and have em cut me some 60mm piping from the cat to the tip and just drop a Greddy/Megan tip on the end?
you need some resonator there also

but you can get catbacks like skunk2 ~500$

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I dont think so

but depends how much it costs to make this

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Cherry Bomb resonators are pretty useless


Never rely on a Youtube video for sound - especially on an exhaust


Greddy pipe is 2.3" - you're better off just getting a custom 2.5" pipe done at a local shop, with your choice of resonator and muffler.


I had a Vibrant 18"long 2.5" inlet/outlet 4" center resonator on my Greddy Evo2 and it sounded much better than the exhaust did from Greddy.


No cat = more rasp


Megan header is junk and won't change anything but a dent in your wallet - Go with Vibrant.


Vibrant is not a straight bolt and go - it requires a shop to install and extend a pipe from the flex to reach the catalyst.


The Greddy TI-C exhaust you posted a video of has a bit of rasp in person.


No matter what header you go with (assuming you go with a decent one, which will have a 2.5" collector) You will want to upgrade your catalyst to a 2.5" inlet/outlet so you're not bottlenecking the system. Magnaflow and Vibrant sell catalysts but they're not "cheap" - be sure to get a catalyst that is OBD2 if you are remaining OBD2.


2.5" is, in my opinion, the best size for sound since it's easily controllable vs a 3" system - where you would be fighting sound control until you found the right combination of parts to get the sound you want.

3" would be good for power, but you already stated you're just looking for sound. If you weren't interested in getting a header, i would normally just suggest getting any catback exhaust that you want for around $600 - but due to you wanting an aftermarket header, it'd be a waste of money
The reason why I brought up that I wanted a resonator is because I saw the guys video before he had the resonator and then I saw it after. It sounded tremendously better after the resonator was installed.

And I don't want any rasp so I'll probably keep the cat on in that case.

And when you say you can't just bolt on a Vibrant header, does that mean it's just as hard to replace as well? I like the convenience of the bolt on header in case of any problems in the future where I would need to remove it. What exactly are the benefits from a Vibrant header? And why do they need to put in by a shop? Also, what is the catalyst? Is that the same as the catalytic converter? One last one, what's OBD2 and what does that have to do with the setup?

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but you can get catbacks like skunk2 ~500$



I dont think so

but depends how much it costs to make this
Yeah I think I'll probably just get a shop to cut my catback and slap a muffler on the end, especially if it's going to sound the same anyway.
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I dont think so

but depends how much it costs to make this
That was if he were to purchase the TI-C since that's the catback he was interested in. Otherwise, since he wants a header and "decent" sounding exhaust, the custom route is the best bet.

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The reason why I brought up that I wanted a resonator is because I saw the guys video before he had the resonator and then I saw it after. It sounded tremendously better after the resonator was installed.

And I don't want any rasp so I'll probably keep the cat on in that case.

And when you say you can't just bolt on a Vibrant header, does that mean it's just as hard to replace as well? I like the convenience of the bolt on header in case of any problems in the future where I would need to remove it. What exactly are the benefits from a Vibrant header? And why do they need to put in by a shop? Also, what is the catalyst? Is that the same as the catalytic converter? One last one, what's OBD2 and what does that have to do with the setup?
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most cat-back exhausts come with a resonator, but you would have to check either way If you were to just purchase the cat-back and be done with it. Resonators that come on Greddy exhausts are known to fail prematurely.... so an aftermarket is usually always needed.


The Vibrant header is a "universal" H22 header for all cars with that motor, be it a swapped or factory installed motor. It does not align up with the rest of the factory Prelude piping due to how it was made for a universal fit. So an "extension" piece needs to be made to bolt up between the header and cat.


Catalyst is what's in a catalytic converter.... so basically catalytic converter... i could've just said "cat" or "cat converter" and i'm sure yourself and most others would automatically assume that's what I was referring to.


OBD2 is what kind of ecu you have... and also a given that it means obd2 cars are stricter for emissions testing (anything emission related that throws a code makes you fail, another discussion for another topic - look into it). for a catalytic converter - its more restricting for emissions and has an o2 sensor port on it so you can plug in your factory sensor without throwing a code for not having it.



As far as a header that is a "bolt on" you'd be stuck with either Mugen (expensive) or some replica (imo - junk) like hytech rep, or whatever else they sell on honda tech.... just stay away from megan, greddy, dc, and ebay
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I did a bit of research on the Vibrant fit on a Prelude and yeah I see what you were meaning. I guess a bracket has to be removed in order for it to even fit in the bay? And I noticed that it seemed a little short and didn't quite reach the cat. Could I just get a shop to cut a small piece to connect the header to the cat? But when it comes to bolting on the the engine itself, it's still a bolt-on process correct?
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ya vibrant will bolt right up. it just needs extra piping
the header comes little bit lower than rest of the exhaust so it isnt smart to do the connection with straight pipe, you need some "s" pipe there because rest of your exhaust is 1-2" upper than that header downpipe
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the header comes little bit lower than rest of the exhaust so it isnt smart to do the connection with straight pipe, you need some "s" pipe there because rest of your exhaust is 1-2" upper than that header downpipe
how much lower is vibrant then dc?
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how much lower is vibrant then dc?
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because rest of your exhaust is 1-2" upper than that header downpipe


just like every other performance header as well

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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

true lol


looks like ima have to raise the lude up a little so i dont scrape when i get mine
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Re: Exhaust Setup (opinions needed)

Does it really drop down that low? I was hoping to lower my lude but at least keep it functional since it is my DD. Will I still have clearance if I drop my ride by an inch or so?
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You'll be fine lowering the car 1"
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