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Adjusting clutch pedal

I searched on the forum, but didn't really find a solution to my problem, unless I overlooked it. I've noticed that my engagement point is really high and I pretty much have to bring my need close to me to get it to catch. I thought that maybe my clutch was going out and needed to be replaced, but someone on other forum told me that the clutch pedal might need adjusting. I understand how to do it, but the question is how much do I adjust it? What's the recommended engagement point, etc.?
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Its basically user preference. Just set it to where you feel comfortable releasing the pedal.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

I had to adjust mine multiple times after the 5speed swap. Right now it seems too close to the floor. It doesn't hurt anything though.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

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I searched on the forum, but didn't really find a solution to my problem, unless I overlooked it. I've noticed that my engagement point is really high and I pretty much have to bring my need close to me to get it to catch. I thought that maybe my clutch was going out and needed to be replaced, but someone on other forum told me that the clutch pedal might need adjusting. I understand how to do it, but the question is how much do I adjust it? What's the recommended engagement point, etc.?

Factory clutch engages very high. Much higher than most other cars that you've probably driven.

I honestly suggest leaving it alone if it's at factory specs, and on a factory clutch.

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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Well, this is my first manual car, so I have no idea, how others work. :P My friend that was teaching me manual said it felt rather soft. I was kinda hoping I could just adjust it, so I didn't have to buy a clutch soon, or anything. xD Oh, and he said it felt like a racing clutch in it too, but I'm not experienced in this area to tell, if it is or not.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

A "soft" or "mushy" feeling is more so a sign of needing something replaced.... Any idea when the clutch master cylinder, slave cylinder, throw out bearing and clutch were all replaced?

You won't know what clutch is in there unless you were to have a mechanic remove the transmission and check. - which at that point you're just better off getting a new one due to the trouble involved lol. Factory clutches are made by Exedy, so they're pretty decent stock :)

Driving a Prelude as your first manual can be pretty tricky due to it's high engagement.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

I honestly don't know. I know, I was stupid not to ask. How much a the Exedy OEM clutch kit? If I need to really do that. Well, to me the clutch doesn't really have much freeplay in it. It's about like an inch of movement in the freeplay. The clutch pedal feels about as normal as the gas pedal. It's too busy on my street to actually go out and drive the car. I'll be more specific on the feel tomorrow, or when they leave.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

You will need a friend to bleed the clutch and adjust the pedal height.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Clutch kits are not expensive ($150-$250) the labor is an afternoon with friends or 2-3hours in a shop? Haven't had a manual long enough to do a clutch, I stink.

Here's the $10,000 question. How far is it from the floorboard in resting position? 3-5 inches, 4-7 inches or more? If you only have 1-3 inches, you probably have an aftermarket setup. Let us know
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

I can't tell the exact measurements as I can't find my tape measure. It is a little further out than my brake pedal.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

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I can't tell the exact measurements as I can't find my tape measure. It is a little further out than my brake pedal.
That's where it sits stock, you more than likely have a factory or very mild stage 1 clutch.


The damper system makes the clutch pedal feel like it's catching much harder than what it really is. That's probably why your friend thought it felt like a performance clutch.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

So, it just has a large engagement point? BLAH D:
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Use your index finger, it's more or less 3-4 inches including your knuckle, each bend is about an inch. The brake pedal is a bad comparison because it can also be adjusted and might not be high enough.

If you can, just measure the pedal play, push down the pedal with your left hand, use a ruler or finger to mark the engagement distance. You need approximately 2 inches to ensure the clutch is disengaging. If the pedal travels more than that, count only the distance between the floorboard and the pedal change. About 2-3 inches is safe enough to Push out the clutch.

Check when you can, I suggest getting your friend on this too.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

I found my tape measure. Sadly, it's not a metric one. :( So, I tried doing conversions on my phone. I don't understand how to do A and D.

B - 6 3/8 to 7 3/8
6 3/8 = 161.92500 millimetres
7 3/8 = 187.32500 millimetres
is 25.4mm = 1 inch.

C - 7 3/8
7 3/8 = 187.32500 millimetres

So B is off, which is 9.0 - 15.0 millimetres.
So C is off, which the factory is 189 millimetres.

So, I need help with getting A and D. Any idea how to get those measurements?
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

A) Don't worry about it if C is close enough

D) basically your clutch pedal will go to the rubber backing on the firewall - no need to measure



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Sounds like you're at stock specs. I wouldn't worry about it. Chances are C was just adjusted closer to get rid of the free play - i'm betting you don't have any from the sounds of it. Really not an issue.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

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A) Don't worry about it if C is close enough

D) basically your clutch pedal will go to the rubber backing on the firewall - no need to measure



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Sounds like you're at stock specs. I wouldn't worry about it. Chances are C was just adjusted closer to get rid of the free play - i'm betting you don't have any from the sounds of it. Really not an issue.

Well, I did measure the clutch engagement point. I don't know, if I measured it right. I basically had it in neutral, and just let the clutch out until I shouldn't get through the gate. I measured it from the wall behind the pedal and it was at 3 1/2 and then 4 3/4 from the floor straight up.

Sorry, if I am doing this wrong.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Usually with the pedal at rest - point "C" on the diagram, if that is reasonably close - as yours seems to be without changing anything - it's more than likely all stock spec. Since most aftermarket clutches are much closer to the floor when at rest.



As I said, I wouldn't look too much into it and worry. Unless you changed something by accident - just let it be. Can't fix what's not broken :P
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

If its hard to put the car in gear you need to adjust it or replace the clutch... otherwise I would just adjust it to preference. The estimated time to replace a prelude clutch on mitchell1 is 10-12 hours if I remember correctly. I downloaded the helms manual and it would have taken a solid weekend if I had all the parts I needed ahead of time. If you end up replacing it you should buy a flywheel ahead of time as well as the clutch kit and maybe a rear main seal...
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

It's not hard to put into gear, though the pedal is a little stiff, but not bad. I just wish the engagement point was a little less than what it currently is. It feels I have to let off the clutch more then finally apply gas to give it a clean take off and shift.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

That's a stock clutch for ya lol


You would have to upgrade to a much better clutch in order to engage it sooner. The clutch adjustment only allows for so much and I've personally never messed with the push rod as some have suggested in the past - so i can't say if it's a "good idea" or long term bad idea to mess with stock engagement.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Maybe someone can chime in on this and let me know. It's driving me nuts ;P
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

I lowered mine and now I'm having issues getting in gear regardless of where I adjust it now. Looks like I'm replacing a clutch...
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

My clutch was just ****ty. So it's being replaced.
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I lowered mine and now I'm having issues getting in gear regardless of where I adjust it now. Looks like I'm replacing a clutch...


Yeah, you ended up riding the clutch.....which is why it's not advised to mess with the engagement. live and learn.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

I ended up replacing all my cylinders and my clutch just to end up w/ the same issue... all rod adjustment. The farther back i keep adjusting it, the better it keeps getting (so far). Money lost, leason learned...
(and my clutch was perfect)
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I ended up replacing all my cylinders and my clutch just to end up w/ the same issue... all rod adjustment. The farther back i keep adjusting it, the better it keeps getting (so far). Money lost, leason learned...
(and my clutch was perfect)
yeah, stock clutch stock engagement.


the higher end the clutch is - the closer the engagement is to the floor.



I assume it's all fine now?
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

awesome thread.. im having some messed up issues with my lude. and im hoping its just adjustment i was driving home and went to downshift for a corner and it wouldnt let me in any gear so i pulled off the road had it in neutral and let the clutch out and it stalled out and now i cant even get it out of my driveway, sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt so according to this thread i need adjustment??
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Leave it alone if it's never been messed with. Your clutch master cylinder or slave cylinder may be on the way out - or you could have an issue with the clutch fork and throwout bearing.

Or, worst case scenario- your messed up your syncros or something else internally.
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Re: Adjusting clutch pedal

Yah I went to look at it and it was completely shot. Grease everywhere brake fluid drippin so I replaced that today actually and ran into another noob problem. I got everything hooked up ready to go just need some assistance bleeding. There's absolutely no pressure in the system when I go to bleed my master cylinder but fluid comes out of the bleeder hole, do I need to bleed the slave cylinder first before the master? I read some forum a moderated had posted and he said he just bled the slave and didn't even touch the master
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You only need to bleed the system at the slave cylinder. That's the correct and only way to do it.
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