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Skunk2 cams + header.. gains?

Hey guys, recently installed a JDM H22 Type-s (217 hp variant) into an EK9. threw on a custom 2.5" exhaust and intake, tuned with p08. 180 whp and 143 wtq. A friends selling a greddy header from his h22A along with skunk2 Tuner stage-2 cams.

I understand the cams on the type-s are already a tad bit more aggressive than the ones on the regular H22's.. Should I be expecting any significant gains in power with these camshafts? what should a realistic gain from these cams+header be? worth the $600 hes demanding?

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JDM H22A (Type S) Stock 306/310 230/230 .469"/.438" 11.91/11.12

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Cam Specs: IN. 0.473,254; EX. 0.437,258

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Re: Skunk2 cams + header.. gains?

1) there are better headers
2) there are better cams

imo not worth the money, and realize that it would be wise to get better valvetrain + adjustable cam gears there also + tuning in dyno + new seals etc so its not only 600 what youre going to spend there
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Re: Skunk2 cams + header.. gains?

Go with a vibrant Tri-y header

and then if your gonna get cams, i'd go with skunk2 pro 1's with upgraded valvetrain
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If you get stage 2, you MUST upgrade the springs and retainers, which will bring you up to the $1K mark. I'm not sure about the Tuner 2's, but the Pro 2's require a compression boost to get the most out of them. Look into that as well.

The Greddy/Megan/DC headers are really just pretty stock replica's, so they're really only worth the coating that's on them.
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If you get stage 2, you MUST upgrade the springs and retainers, which will bring you up to the $1K mark. I'm not sure about the Tuner 2's, but the Pro 2's require a compression boost to get the most out of them. Look into that as well.
I believe that he has already comp 11

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Re: Skunk2 cams + header.. gains?

yeah the compression should be 11.1 .. problem is, while I would love a bisimoto or vibrant header the duties where I am are through the roof and it would cost me an insane amount. Do the tuner-2's definitely require a valvetrain upgrade? because the engine they're coming off is still using the stock one so did he take the risky route?

the only two headers available to me at the moment are some Jasma Approved Fujitsobo ones and this greddy one..oh and a Dc sports one which I heard is pretty much a stock header albeit a tad lighter.

The H22 these cams are coming off was running 13.5 comp :o.. $600 btw is for the header + cams + camgears .. would a 8-10 whp gain be an unrealistic expectation? not worth compared to a lighter valvetrain ?

PS: I'm loving the engine.. I took down two CL7 euro-r's.. actually spinning throughout second while they zoomed on ahead, catching up and overtaking in third with a 2-3 car gap minimum :D
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Do the tuner-2's definitely require a valvetrain upgrade? because the engine they're coming off is still using the stock one so did he take the risky route?
yes he did, even manufacturer (skunk2) says that the valvetrain upgrade is required

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the only two headers available to me at the moment are some Jasma Approved Fujitsobo ones and this greddy one..oh and a Dc sports one which I heard is pretty much a stock header albeit a tad lighter.
Id say that save your money until you affort good header, not some "better than stock" or if you really have to get one like greddy do 2,5" collector mod to it

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The H22 these cams are coming off was running 13.5 comp :o.. $600 btw is for the header + cams + camgears .. would a 8-10 whp gain be an unrealistic expectation? not worth compared to a lighter valvetrain ?
have you searched what skunk2 say about those cams:

tuner 2: "Fair-to-good drivability for dual purpose street/race engines"

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PS: I'm loving the engine.. I took down two CL7 euro-r's.. actually spinning throughout second while they zoomed on ahead, catching up and overtaking in third with a 2-3 car gap minimum :D
Id say dont do this. if you wanna build your car, do it with good parts not "some better than your stock"!
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I would never buy anything bisimoto. His stuff looks cool but thats about it. Bisi is a very shady guy

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Id say dont do this. if you wanna build your car, do it with good parts not "some better than your stock"!
yeah I guess I'll wait on the cams then..but might go with the header with a 2.5" collector as you suggested. My top end graph after the tune is still a bit choppy and my tuners been recommending I get a header asap to address flow issues up top.

btw, the setup this stuff is coming out off..it was an H22A with 13.5 comp pistons, tuner stage-2 cams, greddy header and a skunk2 manifold, dyno tuned with a p08. It maxed out at 210 whp..is it just me or is that a tad low for those mods?
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yeah I guess I'll wait on the cams then..but might go with the header with a 2.5" collector as you suggested. My top end graph after the tune is still a bit choppy and my tuners been recommending I get a header asap to address flow issues up top.

btw, the setup this stuff is coming out off..it was an H22A with 13.5 comp pistons, tuner stage-2 cams, greddy header and a skunk2 manifold, dyno tuned with a p08. It maxed out at 210 whp..is it just me or is that a tad low for those mods?
that greddy header might be the bottleneck there, its not that great even with collector mod... dont know about that valvetrain then, has there been some issues since he had still stock
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you should have went with 3 inch exhaust
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that greddy header might be the bottleneck there, its not that great even with collector mod... dont know about that valvetrain then, has there been some issues since he had still stock
what gains did you get back the vibrant header? i'm thinking of splurging.. will cost me 1k easy by the time it gets to me after shipping+duty.
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what gains did you get back the vibrant header? i'm thinking of splurging.. will cost me 1k easy by the time it gets to me after shipping+duty.
dont know, I changed my cams at that point also, but I would imagine that the gains are almost the same as with hytech

http://www.preludezone.com/group-buy...el-header.html

heh it costed me about 1800$ total to get one here (including shipping+taxes+coating+installing)

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YIKES! 1800!! thats almost how much i bought my motor for lol! do you know what the typical gain from this would be? any estimates? i cant find any dyno figures for before/after.
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my eyes are screwed..I cant read the figures in that video :/
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do you know what the typical gain from this would be? any estimates? i cant find any dyno figures for before/after.
check that group buy link, there is that type s video

+6-7hp more than knock off header with 2,5" collector mod

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anybody using the skunk2 tuner stage 2 cams? i'm buying them day after from the friend and I wanted to know if they make your engine sound all diesel like?.. I've had a bad experience with crower cams on a previous setup..the valve lash was unbearable.. it sounded like I was driving a truck..also any tips on how to spot wear and tear on a cam? as far as I know these cams have been used around 6,000 miles on the other engine..the guy has raced 350z's , GTO's, Rx7's etc .. is the material these cams are made of sturdy enough to withstand abuse?
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the higher the lift... the more you'll hear it in the sound of the exhaust.


So you'll hear more in the cam lope as you go higher in the cam stages.


Sounds like you didn't upgrade everything in your previous valvetrain to work along with the specs for the Crower cams. Or you didn't research enough to know about the larger the cam the more it sounds like a diesel.


Cam's last longer than the other components in the valvetrain. Just look for wear.



There needs to be a lot more research going on here...
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Re: Skunk2 cams + header.. gains?

i did get the crower springs and retainers but found the valve lash had to be adjusted very frequently. Could hear the gnash and tap sounds all the time. But that is precisely my question again, are the skunk2 tuner stage-2's that aggressive to make the car diesel like ? I dont mind the exhaust note..i love the heavier vtec crossover soudn too, I just dont like the hamsters tap dancing in the engine bay at idle and low rpms..i'm getting the skunk2 springs+retainers with these cams + skunk2 cam gears.
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have you searched what skunk2 say about those cams:

pro1: "Very good drivability for dual purpose street/race vechiles"
tuner 2: "Fair-to-good drivability for dual purpose street/race engines"

"Pro-Series camshafts feature a seamless crossover between low and high speed cam lobes. VTEC crossover is seamless allowing for the broadest possible powerband."

so pro1's should be better even on DD

"Pro-Series camshafts also feature our newly revised camshaft blanks that have increased torsional strength, improved durability characteristics, and reduced frictional effects."

so they should be better than tuner's in durability-wise also

and notice that stock injectors become restrictive when you achieve over 220hp. I had to get new ones, my tuner said that their duty cycle were on max and they would be even dangerous to drive with specially at winters

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hmm..their website says the pro series are ideal for heavily modified engines..my JDM type-s has a stock block currently. Also, according to the site the tuner cams are made from the same cores as the pro series cams are. Add to this the tuner cams retaining stock idle characteristics etc.. I just want another 10 whp from these cam. Do you reckon that would be possible ? Also, what exactly does skunk mean by 'drivability' ? if the tuner series is supposed to be easier to tune, retains stock idle and the stage 2 is aggressive no? how in what form does it affect drivability? i'm confused.
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hmm..their website says the pro series are ideal for heavily modified engines..my JDM type-s has a stock block currently.
well I have stock H22A5 block, which have lower compression than your JDM engine and I run pro1's

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Also, according to the site the tuner cams are made from the same cores as the pro series cams are. Add to this the tuner cams retaining stock idle characteristics etc..
but the pro series are better made ;) so the quality is better
pro's idle almost like stock if tuned correctly, I even confirmed this from skunk2

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pros just work better, so theyre more street friendly

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if the tuner series is supposed to be easier to tune, retains stock idle and the stage 2 is aggressive no? how in what form does it affect drivability? i'm confused.
pro1's give you gains across the powerband so that means that your car runs more smoothly, all the gain are not on high rpms like with tuners

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ahh I see! .. and theres a huge difference between the pro1's and tuner 2's? not negligible? in terms of performance and gains
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also, are you pro 1's quiet? no truck'ish sounds emanating from the hood?
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ahh I see! .. and theres a huge difference between the pro1's and tuner 2's? not negligible? in terms of performance and gains
well pro's give you little bit more torque, but thats the main difference: pros give you gains all over the powerband - tuners just top end
and pro's have smooth vtec crossover just like skunk2 advertises

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stiffer valvetrain is always little bit more "noisy" than stock

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gotcha. also , any way to be able to tell wear and tear by looking at a cam? i'm guessing there wont be any visible signs? how would I tell if the lobes etc are worn out or whether its in good condition.
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