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Old 02-21-2012, 11:57 PM
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Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

Im more than likely going to buy this h23 vtec from hmotors.com
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30031

If theres a guide someone point me the right way, if not answer my questions.


Seems like it should be a fairly simple swap out my h22 and swap in the new,
but what all do i need.

Pretty sure i need h22 oil pump and the dizzy from my h22.and will this go to my stock obd2 ecu or just use the one that comes with the engine? And what else is needed ? Thank you.
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Re: Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

So I personally have this swap in my 98 lude. and theres a few things to touch on..

ecu/tuning, I know there is a way to stick to obd2, with the correct ecu. not sure exactly with which one, but it can be done. I personally already had my old motor tuned on using a p28 on crome. which is what im still using. and what i would recommend doing.

as far as the physical swap, I'd do all your maintance stuff while the motor is out, ie timing belt, water pump, etc etc. also order a brand new oem oil pump(160ish from majestic honda) as for the h23 will need it if you plan on not messing with wiring. and then you can use your dizzy off your old motor(as long as its in decent/good condition)

otherwise its a pretty simple swap. just make sure you swap to usdm dizzy and oil pump or stick to jdm on both(which would require wiring) i'd stick to all USDM, makes things alot simpler, and easier to get parts, etc. I'd also say while your doing it, I'd throw a set of solid motor mounts in there and a dyno tune as well

I know theres a huge thread on honda tech about the motor, i'd read up some on the motor, because you'll have people(shops) asking which parts to get for it(as in from a h22 or h23) and so on.

also if your really stumped on something with the motor, talk to john at Explicit speed performance. He's literally broken down every single part of that motor and compared it to a h22a4 and a jdm h22 type S

or me, I've searched through alot on it..
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Re: Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

im doing the same swap is there any trans issues??? which trans hook up ? and nooob question can you stick the SH LSD trans on to the h23 vtech block??
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Re: Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

Nope, it's basically the same block as a base model 5th gen prelude. So with saying that I'm not even if the H's tranny will work with it or not,. Because I know the sh has a different oil set up on the back of he back to allow room, etc for the atts unit.. Me I'm using my stock prelude tranny, 98 base model..
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Re: Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

Thank you so much i was worried id be missing things , but it seems pretty straight forward.

Someone told me to delete balance shafts to increase oil pressure because we dont have squirters.

this is my DD i assume thatd be a bad idea lol
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Re: Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

And just to clarify, i dont need to change any gears or cogs or anything else under the timing cover do i?
I just do oil pump, than convert to manual tensioner?
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Thank you so much i was worried id be missing things , but it seems pretty straight forward.

Someone told me to delete balance shafts to increase oil pressure because we dont have squirters.

this is my DD i assume thatd be a bad idea lol
You CAN do the balance shaft deletes, it just frees up a some rotating mass in the engine, ie some power. but yes at an expense of motor vibrations. personally i didnt do it, i left the balance shafts in.

but if you do decide to do them, pick up the kaizen h22 balance shaft delete kit.
Pretty simple way to think of it when buying 99% of parts for the h23a blue top. is treat it like you would a h22a4 as far as buying parts. externally its identical, and pretty close internally as well(other then the crank, rods, and pistons of course)

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And just to clarify, i dont need to change any gears or cogs or anything else under the timing cover do i?
I just do oil pump, than convert to manual tensioner?
And nope no need, just the distributor needs to be changed over to USDM H22a4 spec and and same with the oil pump. otherwise you dont have to do **** to it. maybe use your old fuel injectors. As far as the intake i just swapped my whole intake over to the new motor, cuz i had/have a skunk2 intake mani.

As far as the manual tensionor, thats another one that you CAN do. i stayed with a auto tensionor. but of course i put a brand new one on when i put the motor in, along with a timing belt/balance shaft belt/water pump/etc.
there's also a new part out, can remember who makes it, but its a manual tensionor thats supposed to be a lot simpler to adjust then the oem one.. if you decide to go that route.
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Appreciate the quick responses its been a rough ass month!!
So i needed the good info on the easy swap lol.
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Appreciate the quick responses its been a rough ass month!!
So i needed the good info on the easy swap lol.
Not a problem, any other questions just let me know. i spent a crap ton of time researching the motor/swap before i did it(bored while i was in iraq, lol).
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Do i have to switch the vtec solenoid?
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Nope sure don't. at least i didn't.
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Sweet, thank you sir ^^.
Yeah i got into the lude today im taking apart the old h22a4 to see what really happened.
Ill be taking lots of pictures and making a h23 swap guide with all the pics since i couldnt find one on here i might as well make one for others.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the 3-wire IACV that the JDM H23A VTEC has. You'll need the upper plenum or just swap the whole A4 IM from your old motor to retain the 2-wire IACV setup, so that it'll be a plug and play.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the 3-wire IACV that the JDM H23A VTEC has. You'll need the upper plenum or just swap the whole A4 IM from your old motor to retain the 2-wire IACV setup, so that it'll be a plug and play.
Nice, I forgot about that. Cuz when I did my swap, i just swapped the intake Manifold, with everything still on it.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the 3-wire IACV that the JDM H23A VTEC has. You'll need the upper plenum or just swap the whole A4 IM from your old motor to retain the 2-wire IACV setup, so that it'll be a plug and play.
when i bought mine there was 2 h23v's to choose from and my honda buddy told me to buy one over the other seeing as the plugs were different and it would be plug and play
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So I decided to buy a new oil pump since the old one is untrustworthy because i found out what happened to my old block my main bearing was spun and caused failures down the line. Anyways what all should i get, Im pretty sure i just need #3 on this diagramn for the whole oil pump correct?
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I figured only way that could have happened would be something not getting lubrication right?

Regardless i want a new one, So just to recap someone lettme know if #3 is all i need to order. Thanks
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yup yup, #3, getting it from Majestic?
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So far ive ordered, All gaskets and seals around outside of motor, Manual Tensioner kit, New oil pump/water/timing belts. Hondata intake gasket, Injector o rings and stuff for fuel rail, New fuel filter figured why not, After 500 dollars later i think im set on everything possibly needed to make this swap and replace everything along the way.
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So far ive ordered, All gaskets and seals around outside of motor, Manual Tensioner kit, New oil pump/water/timing belts. Hondata intake gasket, Injector o rings and stuff for fuel rail, New fuel filter figured why not, After 500 dollars later i think im set on everything possibly needed to make this swap and replace everything along the way.
Also, I'd replace the rear main seal, even if its still good.. Mine was good when i put the motor in, but since the motor sat somewhere for who knows how long, ya its pretty much done. I'm having to deal with this now, so gay!
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Yeah thought about it, couldnt find it searching on majestic, ill look some other places, any ideas?
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One more thing while ur online, Balance shaft seal retainer i heard the seal walks out. Where to find online?
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One more thing while ur online, Balance shaft seal retainer i heard the seal walks out. Where to find online?
Its cuz i get my email updates on my phone, so i normally just reply to these kinda things from my phone.
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If you want, you can just delete the balance shafts.. but thats up to you, just will add a little bit more vibration, almost like adding solid motor mounts

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I'm busy tonight, but its probably on that same page as the rear main seal is.. if not just search google for a h22 front main seal part number.
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Re: Is there a guide for H22a4 to H23 vtec bluetop swap?

I been looking into the h23a vtec engine just to see the difference. I found that it is rated around the same hp but with a lower redline. So my question is how does this effect performance? Like do you feel more power when stepping on the gas pedal ? Sorry for the noob question
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JDM H23A Vtec Blue Top Mystery Motor, True Facts, Questions? - Page 5 - Honda-Tech

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