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Newbie Suggestions ???

So I have been an avid forum reader for quite some time now. I currently have a '97 SH Lude with 66k on it. My first lude was '00 I bought 5 years ago and put 100k on it before selling it. Sadly it was an automatic. I am into performance but maintaining engine life over everything. So I have a few questions about this stuff. I want my car to go fast when I want to but I am not street racing it or motor Xing it either. Daily fun driver for me. I bought it cheaper so I could spend some money on it but don't want to outdo what the car is actually worth by too much. I'm trying to upgrade it to all the things I would look for in a new car today because honestly I loved my first one, I just wanted a manual.

Does anyone have experience with the ESP H22A header set up/ and if I install it will it effect my engine life at all?

For a bit of a smoother ride is there a coil over set up anyone suggests. Or should I just stick with stock? I read a lot about adjustable ones for racing...but adjustable sounds like a headache to me.

My plan is as of now.
Type S interior ordered from TorontoJDM
Explicit Speed Performance (ESP) strut bar
nuespeed rear sway bars
4-2-1 head/downpipes upgrade(?)
Stage 2 clutch kit upgrade.
Possibly CF hood/trunk (but so far I've read a lot of horror stories about them not fitting correctly...and high maintenance in the heat)

are there any other suggestions you guys have for suspension or HP upgrades without digging into the motor too much?
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Explicit Speed Performance does not sell a header for our cars - unless you're referring to another company

TypeS interior - go for it

ESP strut bar - no matter it being front/rear/traction bar, order it up to 4 months in advance

Neuspeed rear sway bar* there is only 1 for the rear. Most people go with Progress or the other common company out there (idr the name off the top of my head) Not sure of any pros/cons to Newspeed's

Vibrant header is your best bang for your buck right now. But i'm not sure if they make one for an SH or not - you would have to specifically ask. Rosko is a vendor that sells Vibrant so ask him and i'm sure he can get you set straight

Stage 2 is the most you would want for a street car.

CF hoods/trunks - you need to have the "gel coat" buffed out and re-cleared a few times with auto clear coat right after purchase. Pretty much just keep up on washing/waxing and you won't have any issues. It is advised to get hood pins for a hood, and yes fitment is always a pain since none of the current molds for our hoods are any good at these places that manufacture them (so it seems)

You're pretty limited with the SH as far as internal work goes - you can only get a tune with a Greddy E-manage ultimate. I honestly don't see an Apexi controller worth the time/money. You can go with a Type-S intake for that stockish look and good power, or the AEM V2 for a little extra noise and proven power gain. Personally I just use a cold air with a K&N filter. Our motors love 3" exhausts - you can upgrade that but expect to have some extra noise, you would need to piece together a good resonator, larger cat, and muffler of your choice. You can also upgrade your motor mounts just slightly and that can make a slight difference.

Simple intake/header/exhaust is pretty much as far as you can go without needing to purchase an Emanage and tune it. But many are happy with those items alone.

As for suspension - A good set of coilovers such as Function & Form, Dropping your car even 1" makes a world of difference in drivability. When the time comes - you can always upgrade your bushings, but it will result in a rougher ride and not worth the money unless it's time to have your OEM ones replaced. A rear strut bar would help a good bit - there are a couple brands out there so just pick one you're interested in and i'm sure someone here can assist you in wether its good or not. ESP traction bars are nice - but just as all their products, order months in advance. It's worth the wait but can be annoying doing the waiting lol.
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Explicit Speed Performance does not sell a header for our cars - unless you're referring to another company

TypeS interior - go for it

ESP strut bar - no matter it being front/rear/traction bar, order it up to 4 months in advance

Neuspeed rear sway bar* there is only 1 for the rear. Most people go with Progress or the other common company out there (idr the name off the top of my head) Not sure of any pros/cons to Newspeed's

Vibrant header is your best bang for your buck right now. But i'm not sure if they make one for an SH or not - you would have to specifically ask. Rosko is a vendor that sells Vibrant so ask him and i'm sure he can get you set straight

Stage 2 is the most you would want for a street car.

CF hoods/trunks - you need to have the "gel coat" buffed out and re-cleared a few times with auto clear coat right after purchase. Pretty much just keep up on washing/waxing and you won't have any issues. It is advised to get hood pins for a hood, and yes fitment is always a pain since none of the current molds for our hoods are any good at these places that manufacture them (so it seems)

You're pretty limited with the SH as far as internal work goes - you can only get a tune with a Greddy E-manage ultimate. I honestly don't see an Apexi controller worth the time/money. You can go with a Type-S intake for that stockish look and good power, or the AEM V2 for a little extra noise and proven power gain. Personally I just use a cold air with a K&N filter. Our motors love 3" exhausts - you can upgrade that but expect to have some extra noise, you would need to piece together a good resonator, larger cat, and muffler of your choice. You can also upgrade your motor mounts just slightly and that can make a slight difference.

Simple intake/header/exhaust is pretty much as far as you can go without needing to purchase an Emanage and tune it. But many are happy with those items alone.

As for suspension - A good set of coilovers such as Function & Form, Dropping your car even 1" makes a world of difference in drivability. When the time comes - you can always upgrade your bushings, but it will result in a rougher ride and not worth the money unless it's time to have your OEM ones replaced. A rear strut bar would help a good bit - there are a couple brands out there so just pick one you're interested in and i'm sure someone here can assist you in wether its good or not. ESP traction bars are nice - but just as all their products, order months in advance. It's worth the wait but can be annoying doing the waiting lol.

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Vibrant header is your best bang for your buck right now. But i'm not sure if they make one for an SH or not - you would have to specifically ask. Rosko is a vendor that sells Vibrant so ask him and i'm sure he can get you set straight
its not for base either, vibrant header is for all h22's swaps included. you have to mod it anyway (make little fitting pipe) so it will definetly work with sh too.

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CF hoods/trunks - you need to have the "gel coat" buffed out and re-cleared a few times with auto clear coat right after purchase. Pretty much just keep up on washing/waxing and you won't have any issues. It is advised to get hood pins for a hood, and yes fitment is always a pain since none of the current molds for our hoods are any good at these places that manufacture them (so it seems)
my seibon hood (and trunk) fits perfect. and it doesnt need hood pins.

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or the AEM V2 for a little extra noise and proven power gain. Personally I just use a cold air with a K&N filter.
aem v2 are waste of money. theyre really downgrade since they just suck warm air from engine bay into your engine. Id say buy some cheap ebay cai pipe and some good filter (maybe fujita?)

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As for suspension - A good set of coilovers such as Function & Form, Dropping your car even 1" makes a world of difference in drivability.
my personal opinion (as always) is BC Racing, it has been my best investment with vibrant header

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Re: Newbie Suggestions ???

First off, thanks to everyone for their input. After making a few phone calls this is what I've gathered....please feel free to correct me with anything I say.

ESP no longer makes the headers so they recommended me to go with Logic Tri Y into a 3" exhaust. Someone said the Logic headers are the best bang for their buck shipped at 399. Right now I have a magna flow muffler that gives a nice "Throaty" sound.

If I want to see results from the headers I need to upgrade to a bigger intake, maybe Euro R? (This is where I am kind of lost)

BPI flowstack will give me my best cold air intake with a K&N filter on the end because I live in a dust bowl. (I currently have the Type S air intake with K&N...is it worth switching them?)

Nuespeed Strut bar and sway bar to tie in the suspension.

but to tie it all together I was told I need to get a p28 Ecu Chrome Chipped and tuned to my specific car by Kaizenspeed since they are a quality tuning shop that I live close to.

...does that sound about right to you guys? I mean like I said car/engine life is most important to me. But to my understanding putting on bolt on upgrades really don't do much unless the car is tuned. Am I wrong with this assumption?
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ESP no longer makes the headers so they recommended me to go with Logic Tri Y into a 3" exhaust. Someone said the Logic headers are the best bang for their buck shipped at 399.
it looks and sounds really nice, but have you seen this?
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Id be little bit concern about cutting that much of that crossmember.
any idea how it does effect on handling and does that even be safe anymore when you have cutted that much out of it.

and you have that atts there so does it work with sh lude?

Explicit Speed Performance

they make aftermarket ones, but its like 350-450$

I dont even think that theres THAT MUCH difference between vibrant/logic header in power-wise(?). AND that logic header doesnt even have flex pipe. and it seems that its so long, there is no even room for it. flex pipe is kinda important to have, it prevents the header for cracking and then there is no that much pressure to the head either.

there is like 4 options for a good header (didnt count mugen since its much more expensive)

vibrant (no cutting + it has flex)
hytech rep (need some cutting - no flex pipe)
logic (need lots of cutting - no flex pipe)
bisimoto (??)

all of those give you nice gains, with vibrant header you dont have to cut anything and it has already that flex,
but you have to think what suits you best. are you sure that logic even fits SH? its your call.

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If I want to see results from the headers I need to upgrade to a bigger intake, maybe Euro R? (This is where I am kind of lost)
you have 3 options here:
BlackTrax - Intake Manifolds
skunk2 pro IM
and that euro r

youd be happy whatever you choose IF you had base, all of them are better than stock and give you gains. exept that euro r costs double than those others...and its not even that much better + its even much harder to get. again your call. all of them are good.
(I have skunk2)

BUT you have SH there. you cannot use skunk2 IM with SH because you have that atts there and... well Id say get that blacktrax ported IM. dont know about euro r and atts compatibility

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BPI flowstack will give me my best cold air intake with a K&N filter on the end because I live in a dust bowl. (I currently have the Type S air intake with K&N...is it worth switching them?)
it seems that youre good intake-wise. no point of getting anything there.


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but to tie it all together I was told I need to get a p28 Ecu Chrome Chipped and tuned to my specific car by Kaizenspeed since they are a quality tuning shop that I live close to.

...does that sound about right to you guys? I mean like I said car/engine life is most important to me. But to my understanding putting on bolt on upgrades really don't do much unless the car is tuned. Am I wrong with this assumption?
HA Motorsports | Honda Engine Management Specialists!

I bought my p28 ecu and harness from there. its IMPORTANT to tune your engine after serious power mods. my engine went crazy when my head was ported and I installed that skunk2 IM. they changed air flows that much that the stock ecu didnt handle it anymore. there were no torque at all since the air/fuel rations were messed up. but after tuning it was whole difference car. so you cannot even get those possible gains from parts without updating your ecu software also!

and I had to get better injectors too in that point. stock injectors become restrictive when I achieved little bit over 220hp. I had to get new ones, my tuner said that their duty cycle were on max and they would be even dangerous to drive with specially at winters

BUT you have SH there. change ecu and youll say goodbye to your atts.

it would be much MUCH easier to build base. with sh there is no good tuning options since you cannot change the ecu.

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As long as you have an SH, it's not worth doing much with the motor unless you dump ATTS, and convert to an OBD1 ECU.
i/h/e with a piggyback (Such as VAFC) and getting a hella nice suspension is your best bet.
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As long as you have an SH, it's not worth doing much with the motor unless you dump ATTS, and convert to an OBD1 ECU.
i/h/e with a piggyback (Such as VAFC) and getting a hella nice suspension is your best bet.
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its not for base either, vibrant header is for all h22's swaps included. you have to mod it anyway (make little fitting pipe) so it will definetly work with sh too.

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heh, Im pretty surprised that you didnt suggested hytech replika
I dislike replicas. Unfortunately before that was the only "cheap option" people wanted to hear - now there is a legit product that I support. Although, I will have a true HyTech myself - but not many are willing to pay $1,270.00 shipped for a bare header.

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my seibon hood (and trunk) fits perfect. and it doesnt need hood pins.
Hood pins on a hood are a safety precaution. Ever seen one of those latches break? - I have. Ever driven and had the hood shake like hell? - yeah i have. I'll stick with hood pins and continue to suggest them for the safety reasons alone.

Post pictures of your trunk fitment in the photo section as to not clutter this thread. I'm extremely picky when it comes to fitment and would probably find issues with yours

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aem v2 are waste of money. theyre really downgrade since they just suck warm air from engine bay into your engine. Id say buy some cheap ebay cai pipe and some good filter (maybe fujita?)
I listed multiple options for this - go back and re-read that I said it's just extra noise but does produce a proven gain.


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ESP no longer makes the headers so they recommended me to go with Logic Tri Y into a 3" exhaust. Someone said the Logic headers are the best bang for their buck shipped at 399. Right now I have a magna flow muffler that gives a nice "Throaty" sound.

If I want to see results from the headers I need to upgrade to a bigger intake, maybe Euro R? (This is where I am kind of lost)

BPI flowstack will give me my best cold air intake with a K&N filter on the end because I live in a dust bowl. (I currently have the Type S air intake with K&N...is it worth switching them?)

Nuespeed Strut bar and sway bar to tie in the suspension.

but to tie it all together I was told I need to get a p28 Ecu Chrome Chipped and tuned to my specific car by Kaizenspeed since they are a quality tuning shop that I live close to.

...does that sound about right to you guys? I mean like I said car/engine life is most important to me. But to my understanding putting on bolt on upgrades really don't do much unless the car is tuned. Am I wrong with this assumption?

Don't support replicas, but it's your money, your call.

Euro R is an intake manifold. You could just have your stock one ported and get a larger tb as well/ or just buy a Euro R and larger throttle body - but again it's all your call on that.

Changing the intake if you already have a Type-S is your decision. If you want that extra space cleared up then go for it - but you won't see any different gains.

Neuspeed is fine.

You own an SH - be aware that tuning options are slim when it comes to your car. Emanage ultimate is the only option if you plan to keep the ATTS. Correct me if I'm wrong, but using a chipped P28 would require you to convert to OBD1... (i'm not very familiar when it comes to ECU's so if i'm wrong on this, someone correct me.)

Bolt ons won't effect the lifespan of your motor - you'll be fine

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As long as you have an SH, it's not worth doing much with the motor unless you dump ATTS, and convert to an OBD1 ECU.
i/h/e with a piggyback (Such as VAFC) and getting a hella nice suspension is your best bet.
^^ agreed. Boltons are the most you would want to do, so the things already mentioned are pretty much the limit without dumping crazy amounts of money into the car to further the performance.
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I dont even think that theres THAT MUCH difference between vibrant/logic header in power-wise(?). AND that logic header doesnt even have flex pipe. and it seems that its so long, there is no even room for it. flex pipe is kinda important to have, it prevents the header for cracking and then there is no that much pressure to the head either.

there is like 4 options for a good header (didnt count mugen since its much more expensive)

vibrant (no cutting + it has flex)
hytech rep (need some cutting - no flex pipe)
logic (need lots of cutting - no flex pipe)
bisimoto (??)

all of those give you nice gains, with vibrant header you dont have to cut anything and it has already that flex,
but you have to think what suits you best. are you sure that logic even fits SH? its your call.


you have 3 options here:
skunk2 pro IM
and that euro r

youd be happy whatever you choose IF you had base, all of them are better than stock and give you gains. exept that euro r costs double than those others...and its not even that much better + its even much harder to get. again your call. all of them are good.
(I have skunk2)

BUT you have SH there. you cannot use skunk2 IM with SH because you have that atts there and... well Id say get that blacktrax ported IM. dont know about euro r and atts compatibility
Skunk2 IM is out of the question - as you said, because of ATTS
Blacktrax is basically a ported stock IM
Euro-R is a Honda intake manifold, you have all the egr ports/valve connections etc - ATTS is in the transmission/axles/suspension. How would using a direct swap part cause an issue with something it doesn't pertain to....

Don't mention Bisi.... ever. There are absolutely no proven gains to back up making that cost worth it.

Logic - is basically an SMSP replica....
Hytech rep - ...again is a replica....
^^ i'm surprised you even suggested of replica junk...
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Hood pins on a hood are a safety precaution. Ever seen one of those latches break? - I have. Ever driven and had the hood shake like hell? - yeah i have. I'll stick with hood pins and continue to suggest them for the safety reasons alone.
its not shaking THAT bad. I have JTC cooling plate here waiting, some say it will make CF hoods shake less, since it prevents air hitting to the hood little bit. havent installed it yet.
and generally about CF - seibon makes best fitting CF parts.

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How would using a direct swap part cause an issue with something it doesn't pertain to....
because Ive seen my engine go crazy when I changed my stock IM to skunk2 (with ported head)
it will effect on air/fuel rations and without tuning could get things just worse.

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^^ i'm surprised you even suggested of replica junk...
well people use them and they have seen some gains. they still are there even if you and me dont have/use/support ones.
dont like replika idea that much either but its not my call what others put into their cars.

heh I counted how much my vibrant costed after all coatings, installing, shipping & customs - 1400€ (1830$)

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because Ive seen my engine go crazy when I changed my stock IM to skunk2 (with ported head)
it will effect on air/fuel rations and without tuning could get things just worse.

The Euro-R keeps all your factory sensors and ports where Skunk2 doesn't. That's why you had a hard time using the S2. The stock ecu will balance out the ratios with the euroR- there isn't that much of a difference just slapping it on. an apexi unit or emanage helps alot more - but not necessary.
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The Euro-R keeps all your factory sensors and ports where Skunk2 doesn't.
• Utilizes Stock Sensors
• Eliminates Secondary Butterflies For Improved Air Flow and Hp

yep, like I said, Im not that familiar with euro r usage, since Im with skunk2
but still I can imagine that you cannot get all the gains out of these things
without configuring your ecu or air/fuel rations up to date

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So if I were to buy headers into a 3" exhaust and all of the proper piping mods I would need to do for that set up, WITHOUT a tuned ECU is it worth it? Would I see ANY difference? Will it just disrupt my stock ECU and cause a headache?

Or are we all just saying that a bigger intake manifold is needed for bigger headers and a new intake needs an ECU tuning so any bolt on upgrades without tuning is just a waste of money ?
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^ building sh is pretty much just waste of money if you wanna mod your engine, sell that sh and get base!

you can do that header/exhaust upgrade without tuning but if youre dreaming about better IM then its highly recommended to get that tune

they would help you a bit, but you cannot get all gains out of them if you dont have way to correct air/fuel rations... so its kinda half-ass job: you pay whole price but dont get all the gains.
Id say its waste of money if you dont do anything about those air/fuel rations specially with good header AND good IM. tuning is pretty important, if not the most important thing in engine modding

I can say this: I have made all those mods: header, IM and blah blah blah.... its not super fast car yet either and I have tuned it.
thats why Im changing better cams in this month.

engines are wholeness, you have to think bigger picture. you have to also realize that you have to look at the engine as a whole package of things that need to work together. changing one or two things doesnt give you awesome engine. you have to do more than that.
gotta have good intake for your IM. gotta have good IM that engine gets air. gotta have good cams that can use that air. gotta have good injectors that there is enough fuel. gotta have good header that exhaust gases can exit nicely. gotta have good exhaust that those gases will flow smoothly out.

everything effects on everything. as you might noticed I didnt even write anything about pistons..

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Thanks everyone for their input. It's funny to think people are still out there loving these cars when mine is 15 years old. I might just have to drive her til the wheels fall off and keep the engine mods to a minimum. I don't really have the freedom to dump money into it when all in all it is still a fun/fast car to drive.
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^ just get some good coilovers and some 60mm catback exhaust, atleast then your car is much more fun to drive and you still have some money for beer and maintaining
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Just keep in mind, when you purchase any suspension components like coilovers for an SH - make sure they are for an SH and not a base.
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CF hoods/trunks - you need to have the "gel coat" buffed out and re-cleared a few times with auto clear coat right after purchase......

Why is that?.... Do they use a poor quality clearcoat? I plan on getting a CF Hood in the near future....
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Why is that?.... Do they use a poor quality clearcoat? I plan on getting a CF Hood in the near future....
atleast seibon is double coated. I just get it waxed every now and then

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Just keep in mind, when you purchase any suspension components like coilovers for an SH - make sure they are for an SH and not a base.
you can put base/bb2 coilovers there. its not that big deal. just replace the springs & shocks together and it works ok (but since were talking about coilovers its already taken care of)

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Why is that?.... Do they use a poor quality clearcoat? I plan on getting a CF Hood in the near future....

All carbon fiber parts come with a "gelcoat" not a clearcoat. All gelcoats are of a poor quality when compared to a good clearcoat. Every cf hood out there that is peeling and faded - is the result of keeping that top layer gelcoat on the hood.



it's preventive maintenance to have it buffed out and a few coats of clear applied.
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All carbon fiber parts come with a "gelcoat" not a clearcoat. All gelcoats are of a poor quality when compared to a good clearcoat. Every cf hood out there that is peeling and faded - is the result of keeping that top layer gelcoat on the hood.

it's preventive maintenance to have it buffed out and a few coats of clear applied.
from seibon's site:

"All of our products use clear coat finish. Clear coats are shiny and durable, and they give you the nice "wet" look as opposed to a duller look from gel coats.

Your carbon fiber product is durable, but it still needs care and maintenance to stay looking good. To avoid pre-mature aging, it is important to keep your carbon fiber product clean. Minimize exposure to the sun, and wax when necessary."

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"All of our products use clear coat finish. Clear coats are shiny and durable, and they give you the nice "wet" look as opposed to a duller look from gel coats.

Your carbon fiber product is durable, but it still needs care and maintenance to stay looking good. To avoid pre-mature aging, it is important to keep your carbon fiber product clean. Minimize exposure to the sun, and wax when necessary."

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Interesting.... either they changed their production methods - or their clear coat is really crappy, because some local guys have Seibon hoods and they look no different than ebay junk.
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^ quick look can really often fool ya
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Will a Euro R intake manifold affect my ATTS. A local tuner told me that because I have an SH that I'm pretty much screwed if I do bolt on upgrades because tuning it will make my ATTS dead weight?? ...
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^ just get base model if you want to build that engine more than that exhaust!!
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this is what happens when you dont do any research about a car what youre looking to buy
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I didn't buy this car for the purpose of tuning it, I bought the car because I love the ride, and my last 5th gen lasted 200k and I still sold it for a profit of 4 grand. If and when I decide to tune it, it'll be done right. Guess I'll get the interior and wheels how I want it until its time to do a motor/tranny build.
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