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Old 02-03-2012, 12:41 PM
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Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

So I got a set of tires and rims last night for our lude, very lightly used. My plan is to put them on today or tomorrow. I figured while I had them off I would go ahead and change the brake pads. I know the rear pads are pretty worn, the fronts aren't quite as bad but if I have it open, I might as well do them all.

I was going to take the rotors up to a local tire store to have them turned, however I just got off the phone with the closest store and he quoted me $160 + tax to turn all of the rotors as he stated "and that's if the front rotors come off." He said some Hondas front rotors have to be turned on the car because they never come off and that it will cost more. (Mean while I'm thinking, so they never come off, hope they don't ever get worn or warped really bad, lol) I was like, man I can go buy a new set of rotors for that price (I know that would be cheap ones at the auto parts store, but still).

My next question was for lifetime balance and rotate for the new tires and wheels. I asked for a quote and he asked if they were stock or not. I said aftermarket and he said it would depend on the wheel and he'd have to look at it to tell me. This one I can somewhat see as different styles may be harder to mount the balance weight?

I just wasn't getting a good vibe from this guy, sounded a bit like selling snake oil but I'm no expert. Does this sound right and I'm just being paranoid? Just wanted to get some perspective. Thanks all.
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:15 PM
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Lots of places are really trying to pinch money out of people, and also, some just put up that quoting front so that there are no surprises. They might over-estimate.

I've seen a lot of bull happen, and had some happen to me, so when I find a great place to take my business to (not just with cars, with almost anything) I keep taking it there.

$160 and tax for the rotor turn is probably a decent estimate to have a professional mechanic do it (their time is worth a decent amount of money) but you're right that's on the fringe of just not being worth it. Worst case scenario, pay the money and WATCH HIM DO THE WORK so that perhaps that's the last time you pay for that specific job to be done after you learn how to do it?
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

that guy is an idiot. take them off, they're not pressed on. $40/ rotor is a little much just to turn them.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

For rotors, the 5th gen accords (94-97) had a different style front rotor that had to be turned on the car, as the hub bolted to the rotor instead of the rotor over the hub like ours are. For $160 you can buy brand new rotors.

As far as the balance issue, that's crap.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Thanks guys. Reading up on some other threads, sounds like maybe he was talking about the screws holding the front rotors on? But sounds like you typically can get them off with an impact driver. Or probably thinking like you said og with press fit.

I'm going to call a couple of other places to see how they price elsewhere.

Edit: Phantom that's probably it. I think he did mention an Accord somewhere in there.

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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Yeah I have a buddy with a stanced/hellaflush EG. And he got an alignment done at Firestone, he bought the lifetime alignment and all that jazz then when he brought the car in they said, we're not gonna align this more than once. Gave him his money back. So I gues that explains the alignment to aftermarket wheels question he asked. Makes sense to me.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Lmao, I called a local shop that does work more on heavy duty vehicles apparently. But the guy gave me a tip that he takes his personal vehicle rotors to O'Reilly to get his rotors turned.

I called them, O'Reilly turns them for $12/ea. Looks like I'll be taking them there.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

I paid 25 dollars per rotor at o'reilly auto parts. They're not pressed on they come off very easily.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Update: I got all. Of the tires, brake pads and rotors off finally. The back two still had screws in the rotors. My Harbor Freight impact driver got through two screws on one rotor before it died. I had to go grab another one from O'Reilly.

My rear tires were worn slap out:





Finally got a good look at our bright yellow calipers. They're Nissins...stock?





Unfortunately the rear rotors were too thin and warped to salvage. O'Reilly tried to turn one, it didn't make it:

Line where they had to stop machining:



Warped, rusty still on half the rotor after turning it:



They are going to try and turn the fronts tomorrow, hopefully they can salvage those. Going to pick up some Wagners locally tomorrow to replace the rears.

Ready to get it back together and share pics of new tires and wheels.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

pretty sure those are stock calipers
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Hey for future reference while it is cheaper to take the rotors to someone and have them turned it is better to have them machined on the car because when the rotors are machined while on the vehicle most on the car lathes compensate for run-out and will compensate for hub run-out as well.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Hahaha that's why you don't buy tools from harbor freight! And yeah the calipers look stock just painted but I can't tell for sure
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Hahaha that's why you don't buy tools from harbor freight! And yeah the calipers look stock just painted but I can't tell for sure
Lol yeah, it was dirt cheap and I needed another set of jack stands, figured I'd give it a shot. At least it has a lifetime warranty so I can get another one that will break.
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They're stock painted.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

man you should really just buy new rotors everytime you change the brakes. if an old rotor is warped and needs to be machined, how likely do you think it will warp the next time now that it has less material on it? rotors aren't that expensive and should really just be changed everytime you do a brake job. for the extra 20 or 30 bucks per rotor its worth it.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

I don't know about getting new rotors every time you change your brakes lol, but for the price and pain in the butt (by the sounds of it), you should just pick up new clean rotors.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

Yeah I bought two new rear rotors. The fronts still had plenty of clearance left so I just had them turned and put them back on.

Got the new pads on all four rotors and re-installed all the calipers. (FYI The drivers side rear caliper piston was a pain in the ass to get turned for me. I ended up having to use a pair of channel locks to turn it. The little cube tool thing didn't have enough room to turn until I got the piston backed in a good bit.)

Went to put the new tires and rims on and the rims won't fit....they must be 5x100 and not 5x114.3 like the guy told me. Oh well it was my fault for not checking and I really bought them for the tires. I think I'm just going to switch the tires to the rims that were already on the Lude and sell the others. I looked at putting an adapter on to make them work but I don't want them sticking way out.
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Re: Ok, have to ask some dumb questions.

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man you should really just buy new rotors everytime you change the brakes. if an old rotor is warped and needs to be machined, how likely do you think it will warp the next time now that it has less material on it? rotors aren't that expensive and should really just be changed everytime you do a brake job. for the extra 20 or 30 bucks per rotor its worth it.
I agree..... I was about to mention this before I read your post. I don't even bother turning mine........i just get new ones.
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