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suspension upgrade new the lude

Sup you guys. I'm new to the forum and researched on suspension ideas. I have a 2000 SH model and its been slammed already (wheels are tucked) from previous owner who does not remember what he bought. From the looks of what I saw under, it has stock struts with ebay special lowering springs cause it rides like a indy car...good on turns, bad on bumps. Need your opinion keep in ming i have a budget also.

1. tokico blue with eiback pro-kit
2. tokico blue with H&R
3. KYB GR-2 with skunk2 coilover sleeves.

I understand you sacrific ride quality when you lower. This isn't my first rodeo. I had a 01 accord with eibach pro-kit on tokico blue. I don't mind raising a little bit. But I don't want to have the boat look.
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Re: suspension upgrade new the lude

Ideally, id go with a coilovers setup. But since you're on a budget id go with a Tokico shock (kyb is basically an OEM replacement) and whatever spring you want that fits your needs spring rate and ride height wise.. I would suggest Tein as that is the coilovers I have and I love them, but I've been told the Tein springs tend to sag in the back.
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those particular kyb's are stock replacement. but they have others that offer increased performance.
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Re: suspension upgrade new the lude

thanks for the info gents. yeah i was thinking about going with the tokico blue. now my problem is the springs. I used to have eibachs pro kits on my 01 accord 2dr. I still had a substantial gap in the wheel well. The setup i have now in the prelude is very springy. I live in Germany and with the normal speed of driving 110+ mph, I need something that is pretty smooth. Any inputs on the skunk2 coil overs sleeves or the H&R spring kits.
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get coilovers, there are a few brands that are quality are not expensive
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Re: suspension upgrade new the lude

the reason it's bouncy is because your shocks are probably blown. anything you get will be a lot smoother then what you have now. if you're looking to stay slammed, personally i wouldn't go with tokico shocks. they aren't much shorter then stock shocks so they won't handle as much lowering as it sounds like you want.

now assuming you already bought the car, i'm assuming it passed inspection in the height department... do you want to keep it at the same height??? do you want to drop it below the height requirement? what are your plans ultimately. do you want to take it around nurburgring or hockenheimring?

i'm a huge fan of coilovers if you're wanting to drop below the height requirement. so that you don't have to swap your suspension every time you go in for the inspection.
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Re: suspension upgrade new the lude

It's already slammed. The tires are already tucked in the wheel well. I'm looking at ground control coil overs. I just need something temporary, till I save up something for better quality in a couple of months. I want to raise it a little bit cause i'm scraping my front toe hooks going into the garage. Any inputs on the ground control coil overs.
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Re: suspension upgrade new the lude

well if you insist then i would go with ground controls for the time being. i have a hard time believing you pass inspection for germany if you scrape your toe hook. did you get it inspected in baumholder? that's the only place i've seen people get a pass on the height requirement. kapaun is way to strict. i didn't pass inspection for height and i was no where near scraping my toe hook.
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I have a steep down grade to go in my garage. Yup the owner got it inspected in Baumholder and then transferred the title to KL plates.
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get coilovers, there are a few brands that are quality are not expensive
Some people say Megan Racing coilovers are a good, other people don't. There are a lot of opinions and not much fact when searching for coilovers. I'd like coilovers, but have yet to find an solid answer on how they ride. Everyone's definition of harsh, rough, bouncy, slammed all vary.
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Some people say Megan Racing coilovers are a good, other people don't. There are a lot of opinions and not much fact when searching for coilovers. I'd like coilovers, but have yet to find an solid answer on how they ride. Everyone's definition of harsh, rough, bouncy, slammed all vary.
you should really think about what you said... why do you think you can't get a straight answer on ride quality? hell you said it in your first sentence.

you are never going to get a straight answer about which suspension is the best. if you don't understand, it's the same idea behind why you'll never get a straight answer to who's the best car manufacturer. it's all opinion and all about what you like.

when it comes to ride quality, coilovers are going to perform no better or worse then a mix and match set. generally, most springs (weather they're in a coilover set or just by themselves) you can buy will at least double the spring rate. some slightly lower, some slightly higher. as spring rates increase ride quality decreases. it's a fact of life. hell it might as well be scientific fact. it's a trade off everyone just accepts.

so instead of getting just opinions from people and trying to turn them into fact, how about you just research the facts and form your opinion.

as far as the definitions, it's all relative. relative to the stock suspension. relative to their expectations. relative to their own opinions. like when i say my suspension is pretty damn harsh. it's way more harsh then stock suspension. but when you compare the spring rates. it's no surprise. so i might say the suspension isn't all that harsh. when i compare it with my expectations i would say, it's really not all that harsh. simply because it was only slightly more harsh then what i was expecting. most people don't have the money to just go and compare all the different suspension setups out there. let alone 3 or 4 different setups. most people just buy what they think they want and if it wasn't up to their expectations they just live with it.

so do your own research. if you think the ride is going to be to harsh then go with a set with lower spring rates. if you want handling at the expense of ride quality then go with stiffer springs.
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Skunk2 coils are real stiff. I would just look around for a used set of Tein SS.
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Skunk2 coils are real stiff. I would just look around for a used set of Tein SS.
OP I have a link for used tein coilevers, PM me if interested.
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just research the facts and form your opinion.
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That's my point...there are no facts to research, it's just everyone's opinion. No s*** the spring rates are higher and the ride is stiffer. Every car modifies differently, I've had Mustangs, Subarus, and BMWs and all have taken to similar mods differently. All also have MacPherson struts. Having never modified a Prelude before, or ridden in one with coilovers or ever installed coilovers in any of my cars, I researched only to find a bunch of opinions and no facts. Obviously everything is relative, but the overall characteristic should be the same.
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no facts? how about suspension theory? just understanding more about suspension in general will help you make an informed decision. there aren't enough facts out there that will get you to a definitive decision. but at least you'll make an informed decision. almost everything about suspension is opinion. comfort, performance, quality. shocks are probably gonna be one of your biggest contributors to comfort and performance. there are different shock designs out there that effect those things. for example monotube and twin tube. mono-tube are known for their performance not comfort. twin tube are known for comfort and inability to hold up under repeated stress.
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Function and Form Type 1s or 2s. There's a straight answer for ya...
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no facts? how about suspension theory? just understanding more about suspension in general will help you make an informed decision. there aren't enough facts out there that will get you to a definitive decision. but at least you'll make an informed decision. almost everything about suspension is opinion. comfort, performance, quality. shocks are probably gonna be one of your biggest contributors to comfort and performance. there are different shock designs out there that effect those things. for example monotube and twin tube. mono-tube are known for their performance not comfort. twin tube are known for comfort and inability to hold up under repeated stress.
Please, share the "theory"...why pay for coilovers vs. a shock and spring combo?

An example of a fact would be the coilovers allow one to adjust their ride height, pretty objective. Stating something like "my new coilovers ride awesome" tells nothing.

So, what other differences are there between the two? That's meant in terms of justifying the increased cost of purchasing coilovers.
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An example of a fact would be the coilovers allow one to adjust their ride height, pretty objective. Stating something like "my new coilovers ride awesome" tells nothing.
exactly what i'm saying. yet opinions still matter to some people.

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suspension theory is entirely to long to just type it out. hell i'm still learning it.. been learning it slowly over the past 2 years there are some parts i'm still having trouble understanding. so i don't even know it all. why buy coilovers? because they're adjustable. plain and simple, you basically said it. some now have bound and rebound adjustable. also you know the shocks were built for the springs. in other words, they compliment each other. they work with each other and not against. so you know the tire is gonna keep contact with the road. your handling is going to be more predictable.. in other words safe. unlike buying some, say, kyb agx and tein ss. they're made by 2 different companies and are likely not researched and developed to match tein ss. though the agx are adjustable, doesn't really mean a lot. now does that mean you should really concern yourself that much about the whole safety issue and the tire keeping contact with the road that you should buy coilovers.. no.

it all boils down to getting what you pay for. if you want a supreme handling car that handles how you want it to handle, might ride a bit stiff but it's still smooth and not bouncy, that you might want to take to the auto-x or circuit track, you're gonna be paying a few hundred to even a thousand more then a setup that is just going to lower your car and maybe offer a slight increase in handling. but you will not have any clue about it's ride comfort and how the suspension will act under racing conditions.
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