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Well I picked up a 2001 ebp base in march of this year with 95k on it. Paid well under bluebook but then put $1300 into scheduled engine maintenance (TB, water pump, all new seals, valve clearance etc). Engine runs like a champ but consumes (does not burn) more oil than i think it should.
Now cancer is starting to come through the quarters, had the rear seat out a few weeks ago and found rust under there too. Sometimes water leaks in the passenger side near the glovebox when it rains. Doesn't pour in but its enough to make contents of glovebox and passenger floor just moist. And now i have noticed that the driver side front fender has had some DIY bodywork that looks very novice from the inside of the panel. The rear bumper had the VIN painted over so i don't know if it's original. Passenger door has cancer on the inside bottom at the pinch seam. Also cancer just inside the trunk, near the plastic clips for the bumper.
I am really getting depressed about this car, it seems like every time i take something apart, i find something else wrong.
If it were yours, would you keep it and try to get the body all repaired properly, or just sell the damn thing and find another one? Is the car worth more with all original panels with matching numbers? Will it detract from value to replace the passenger door? Keep in mind i haven't seen another EBP 5 speed with less than 125k on it since i bought this one. Thanks for all your opinions and advice!

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Re: Finding more and more reasons to hate my car...

Well, if its a 5 speed I would proly keep it. Just take it one step at a time man dont get overwhelmed. Do the more serious problems first, it doesn't all have to be fixed at once, in a perfect world it would be nice but it will get there if you keep at it. It will be much more satisfying when you get it to where you want it too, as opposed to selling it and buying a different one that could very possibly have alot of the same problems as your current one. I hope this helps.
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Just take it one step at a time.
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Like the other guys said, just take it one step at a time. Everything doesnt have to be fixed all at once. Just keep at it. She will be healthy again before you know it. Good luck man.
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Re: Finding more and more reasons to hate my car...

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Is the car worth more with all original panels with matching numbers? Will it detract from value to replace the passenger door? Keep in mind i haven't seen another EBP 5 speed with less than 125k on it since i bought this one.
In the wider world, a Prelude is, unfortunately, just another used car. Matching numbers mean nothing, so you lose nothing by changing out parts.

It sounds suspiciously like you have a car with accident damage...don't know what to tell you as far as the longevity as a result.
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Thanks for all your responses, it has been the plan from the beginning to get it back into good condition, and is reassuring that you all agree. It's just become depressing lately, every time i take the car apart for any reason i find more rust. i have a 95 civic ex that looks like **** and needs new suspension and exhaust, but for its age is in WAAAAY better shape than the lude.
Jamie- Yes it has one accident on its carfax and has probably been in a few more. The front bumper has been repainted at least twice and rear probably as many, as well as the novice bump & bondo job on the drivers fender. The unibody however seems to be straight and solid, and all panel VINs match.
About the water in the glovebox/passenger floor...was doing about 85 this morning with no fan or radio on and noticed wind noise from near the passenger's sun visor. Thinking the windshield might be the problem, but i've run water all over the car before with the dash apart and couldn't find it coming in anywhere.
Anyone got any tips on how to fix rust "one thing at a time"? It needs it on both quarters, under the rear seat, and the lip of the trunk straight up from the license plate. Plus corner of hood and pass. door bottom but i can just replace those i guess. I'm better at bondo and paint than most people, i can make it look right for cheap but i know it will be back in a year and just 10x worse. Seems like it would be cheaper to have it all cut and replaced at once, and that's some serious cash to save up when you want it done right.
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trust me when i say iv been there bro. i bought my lude early 09, didnt have a prob with it untill last year when the headgasket went bad. about 3 days after i fixed it the timming belt adjuster went bad and shaved about half of the timming belt. at this time i was 18 living on my own going to school at 5:30 in the morning leaving at 12 and working from 1:30 to 11 at night. and just a few months ago i got in a accident. long story short i almost got rid of it and had a buyer ready to hand me cash. but for some reason i couldnt part with it. i love my prelude and i hope i can keep it for a long time and pass it down to my son in the future. stick with it im sure in the long run ull be glad u did
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Re: Finding more and more reasons to hate my car...

Just keep the car, EBP's are rare enough as is.

The rust in the quarters - if it's just surface rust you can sand it down and have it painted. If it's all the way through - than just have that area cut out and new metal welded in properly. If you have the rubber seals in the rear wheel wells (around the lip) remove them immediately, as those are the reasons for the quarter rust.

Rust on the hood - they all start to rust at the very front, if you believe it's bad enough - i would just go for a nice CF hood and paint match it (get hoodpins) or get a new hood. There isn't much you can do if the hood rusts all the way through since you can't get around the skeleton.

Rust on the door - again this is a common thing to have rust on the BOTTOM of the doors, you can try sanding it down if it's surface rust and getting it painted or keep it as is (as many of us do) and replace it once it gets bad.

Fender - if it's got a ****ty job done than just get a new fender.

I'm unsure what you mean by rust above the rear bumper.

As for the water in the car and under the rear seats. Under the rear seats you can easily just sand that down and put some rustolium on it (with a brush, a spray can would be bad with overspray). You need to check the drain tubes for the sunroof for clogging - that is one of the reasons water gets in the cars. If you believe the windshield is leaking than check that as well. Sometimes water leaks into the trunk and splashes under the rear seats but these are all rather simple and cheap fixes.


If you have any connections at body shops than it'll make the painting etc much easier to deal with. Otherwise just as everyone else has said - just take your time and fix it up. From the sounds of it, its not bad at all and could be far far worse. Take care of the quarter rust and the water leaks before you even consider any of the other small projects.


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Well I picked up a 2001 ebp base in march of this year with 95k on it. Paid well under bluebook but then put $1300 into scheduled engine maintenance (TB, water pump, all new seals, valve clearance etc). Engine runs like a champ but consumes (does not burn) more oil than i think it should.
Now cancer is starting to come through the quarters, had the rear seat out a few weeks ago and found rust under there too. Sometimes water leaks in the passenger side near the glovebox when it rains. Doesn't pour in but its enough to make contents of glovebox and passenger floor just moist. And now i have noticed that the driver side front fender has had some DIY bodywork that looks very novice from the inside of the panel. The rear bumper had the VIN painted over so i don't know if it's original. Passenger door has cancer on the inside bottom at the pinch seam. Also cancer just inside the trunk, near the plastic clips for the bumper.
I am really getting depressed about this car, it seems like every time i take something apart, i find something else wrong.
If it were yours, would you keep it and try to get the body all repaired properly, or just sell the damn thing and find another one? Is the car worth more with all original panels with matching numbers? Will it detract from value to replace the passenger door? Keep in mind i haven't seen another EBP 5 speed with less than 125k on it since i bought this one. Thanks for all your opinions and advice!

Yo man thats sounds a lot like the story between me and my lude. I got my car for $1500. It came in limp mode. The radiator was no good. I had to dump 500 into it immediately to get it in decent running condition. After 6 months im still working the kinks out of it. Im looking forward to the day when its in perfect running condition.

Don't get overwhelmed jus take it one step at a time like everyone else is saying. Eventually you'll get it to where you want it.
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Get estimates on all the work and see where you need to go from there
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Anyone got any tips on how to fix rust "one thing at a time"? It needs it on both quarters, under the rear seat, and the lip of the trunk straight up from the license plate. Plus corner of hood and pass. door bottom but i can just replace those i guess. I'm better at bondo and paint than most people, i can make it look right for cheap but i know it will be back in a year and just 10x worse. Seems like it would be cheaper to have it all cut and replaced at once, and that's some serious cash to save up when you want it done right.
For rust on panel sections -- trunk lid, hood, fenders -- "one thing at a time" is exactly the way to handle it. It may be easier simply to look for replacements (although salvage hoods can be very hard to find, since they're first thing to go in a crash!). Let the guys running local salvage yards know what parts you're looking for, and have a look at Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market.

The floor pan's a bit tougher -- if it's surface rust, find and fix the leak, sand off the rust, and repaint (POR-15 is great primer -- look it up). If it's rot set in, you have a tough decision to make.

In all cases, I wouldn't use Bondo except for finishing work. If it's more than surface rust, cut it out and weld in new metal, otherwise it'll definitely come back.
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Re: Finding more and more reasons to hate my car...

So i found a great deal on some wheels for my lude last weekend and omg they breathed new life into her. The car is so much more attractive and now i want to fix fix fix. I agree with you all that the 5spd ebp is tough to come by and should be kept and fixed, i was just doubting myself for a minute there.
So, anyone got any tips on checking the windshield moulding for leaks? Simple and free is always first in my book...
As far as the rust the quarters do have cancer, i hope to save enough money to get them cut/welded this winter (I have a plow truck and a 95 civic for winter driving). Anyone have any experience with body shops in west/southwest michigan?
Good tip on the brushed rustoleum for under the rear seat. DOn't know how it got there, no sign of water or rust anywhere else in the rear interior including spare tire area. I am pretty sure that it is just surface under there, but am kinda afraid that it could be cancer spread from the outer quarter....is there anyway to tell? I know, take it to a body shop....won't have time for that until mid to late november.
Oh yeah i talked to my honda guy about the oil consumption and he said pcv valve. SO i had him order me an oem one that i will install today and let you guys know if it helps!

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Oh yeah i talked to my honda guy about the oil consumption and he said pcv valve. SO i had him order me an oem one that i will install today and let you guys know if it helps!
That will consume a little. Good place to start.

So I'm lazy and didnt read all of the comments. From what I noticed though - just hang in there. You couldnt imagine all of the problems I found with my lude when I started my build. I was thrilled to find both of my sunroof hoses pulled out and a rust hole in my 1/4 rear.

You will end up with a car shrugged off and ignored by the rest of the import guys. You will also end up with a car loved by the female community. Trust me.

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Um... wow?

LOL don't get the wrong idea...the civic is a bone stock rustbucket with 212k on it and the truck is owned by the company i work for. I was reading a thread the other day by a guy whos dd/winter car is a prelude sh and weekend car is a bmw
m3..that's a WOW.
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