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euro R intake manifold question(s)

Alright so I wanna Do an intake manifold on my bb6 next, I've done some research and it looks like I will have to modify it and or some things for proper fitment. So my questions are what has to be modified, and is it worth it? Thanks.
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

In order to match your engine and transmission operating parameters so that it will work well with a a euro intake manifold the following may have to be changed in order to make all the parts of your power train work in sync together.

1: intake
2: throttle body
3: cam
4: exhaust
5: ecu
6: transmission gearing to be in sync with the engines new power band


Your stock intake manifold is tuned to work in sync with the other stock engine components so unless you plan to make significant changes to your engine it would not be advisable.The euro intake is a single path type intake manifold that does not have a idle to 4900 rpm mode like the stock intake manifold. This means you will have to deal with reduced low and mid rpm power if you should install one.For on the street use this low/mid is torque is something you really can't afford to lose in a 3000 lb car being moved by a 2.2l engine.To get a feel for what it may be like you can just find a vacuum line you can tee off and temporally and attach it to the actuator that operates the intake runners valves so as to force the intake runners into the high rpm mode all the time.I did that once and it proved to me that in the art of engine tunning ,bigger is not always better.

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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

Right on, that was what I was looking for. Alright so I've heard the S2 isnt that great and the type S is an own but PP and a bigger chamber. What is the best manifold, bolt on wise?
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

Euro-R from Rosko Racing.
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

do NOT listen to SHDRIVER. all he does if spout useless bullsh*t with nothing to back it up. like noober said, go to rosko racing and get the euro r from them. theirs is a direct bolt on
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

euro r came off an h22 why would someone have to upgrade their head to make it work lmfao
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In order to match your engine and transmission operating parameters so that it will work well with a a euro intake manifold the following may have to be changed in order to make all the parts of your power train work in sync together.

1: intake
2: throttle body
3: cam
4: exhaust
5: ecu
6: transmission gearing to be in sync with the engines new power band


Your stock intake manifold is tuned to work in sync with the other stock engine components so unless you plan to make significant changes to your engine it would not be advisable.The euro intake is a single path type intake manifold that does not have a idle to 4900 rpm mode like the stock intake manifold. This means you will have to deal with reduced low and mid rpm power if you should install one.For on the street use this low/mid is torque is something you really can't afford to lose in a 3000 lb car being moved by a 2.2l engine.To get a feel for what it may be like you can just find a vacuum line you can tee off and temporally and attach it to the actuator that operates the intake runners valves so as to force the intake runners into the high rpm mode all the time.I did that once and it proved to me that in the art of engine tunning ,bigger is not always better.
what????


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Right on, that was what I was looking for. Alright so I've heard the S2 isnt that great and the type S is an own but PP and a bigger chamber. What is the best manifold, bolt on wise?
forget what you read before you made this post and start reading from after you made this post.

thank you carry on with the thread.
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Your stock intake manifold is tuned to work in sync with the other stock engine components so unless you plan to make significant changes to your engine it would not be advisable.The euro intake is a single path type intake manifold that does not have a idle to 4900 rpm mode like the stock intake manifold. This means you will have to deal with reduced low and mid rpm power if you should install one.For on the street use this low/mid is torque is something you really can't afford to lose in a 3000 lb car being moved by a 2.2l engine.To get a feel for what it may be like you can just find a vacuum line you can tee off and temporally and attach it to the actuator that operates the intake runners valves so as to force the intake runners into the high rpm mode all the time.I did that once and it proved to me that in the art of engine tunning ,bigger is not always better.
this series of sentences proves how much of a waste of bandwidth/life you are. in case you didnt notice jerk off, euro r increases low/mid range tq. and in case you still didnt notice, modifying your regular stock IM with a T to make it perform differently (in this case, worse) doesnt make it perform the same, so that proves how much of a moron you are. euro r manifold was DESIGNED to be like that, honda didnt just get lazy and say, "hey lets throw an actuator on a stock h22 manifold and call it something different"
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this series of sentences proves how much of a waste of bandwidth/life you are. in case you didnt notice jerk off, euro r increases low/mid range tq. and in case you still didnt notice, modifying your regular stock IM with a T to make it perform differently (in this case, worse) doesnt make it perform the same, so that proves how much of a moron you are. euro r manifold was DESIGNED to be like that, honda didnt just get lazy and say, "hey lets throw an actuator on a stock h22 manifold and call it something different"
I think the next valid question aside from the OP is why is this guy with all this misinformation not banned from this forum? lol Ive read numerous post of his and they all leave me looking like this LoL
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Any intake manifold ,unless its used on an engine that running at a constant speed and load, is a design compromise.On a engine designed for street use a 2 stage intake manifold is best because it meets the drivers need for a balance of power and throttle response throughout much of the engines 7.4 k rpm power band. Creating a single stage intake manifold that performs with peak efficiency over an entire 7.4 k pm range is a design impossibility.In the case of a track car for example the emphases is on only the higher rpm range and for that reason a single stage intake manifold and also a conventional type cam is usually more then adequate and usually preferred.As stated earlier,its hard to offer a recommendation to someone a change to his engine with out first knowing what he wants his car to excel at.Because the vast majority of Preludes are driven only on the street and seldom on a track, my recommendations are usually biased toward street performance or what is commonly referred to as a street tune.

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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

SHdriver is correct, you might get some Hp and torque from a euroR manifold. But, you will see better gains if you have other mods. I would not put it on a 100% stock USDM H22. Since the manifold was enginered to be used with a Euro R engine which is quite different than the USDM h22.

The Euro R has shorter runners and a better internal design than the stock unit. Thus it flows better than the stock h22 unit with the dual butterfly valve. It will have more full throttle power but it will have less part throttle power to drive around town with since the longer/smaller diameter section of the manifold is gone, which is good for low load power. The butterfly valve on the h22 is Vacuum operated which in turn changes the intake lengths based on load of the engine. So yes if you are driving around at 100% throttle all the time you will have more power.

Also I don't know why there is so much hate for SHdriver, He actually has more information in his post than a lot of other people on this forum. It is very RUDE do directly insult some one, even if you don't agree with what they are saying. That is no excuse to call some one names and insult them.
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

Damn, this really blew up fast. Thanks for all the info guys, I greatly appreciate it. And ups, I have never heard of the rosko euro r. If its direct bolt on that sounds a lot easier, I was just weighing out all the options when it comes to IM and didn't know a whole lot about the euro r.

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Also is that the manifold were talking about here?
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whats different between the k2h manifold and euro r?
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ones for a K series n ones an h22 lmao.
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K2h is for a k series I belive and the euro R is for H series.
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Well k2h is a kseries mani modded to be used on h22 n euro r is a stock (not USDM) mani for h22
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Hey diamond, you know anything about this rosko euro R that upsdriver is talking about?
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I know a little bit lol. Anything in particular u wanna know? Before u ask tho the best piece of advice I can give u is to email rosko himself (I think his first name is sean. IDR its been awhile since I talked to him last lol). Dudes really nice n upfront. Ive picked his brain a few times. I do kno Im buyin one for my build tho
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Well just that basics I suppose, is it bolt on? Unlike the standard euro R. And I have fujitsubo Legalis R catback and a type S intake, would this manifold be a good compliment with these engine mods, dumb question I know but I know some manifolds are for people who are boosting or want to get 400whp. And those above listed mods plus a header would be all I'm gonna do. Like I said before I'm just trying to get all my options down first and chose the one that best fits my "build" Haha
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whats different between the k2h manifold and euro r?
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Any intake manifold ,unless its used on an engine that running at a constant speed and load, is a design compromise.On a engine designed for street use a 2 stage intake manifold is best because it meets the drivers need for a balance of power and throttle response throughout much of the engines 7.4 k rpm power band. Creating a single stage intake manifold that performs with peak efficiency over an entire 7.4 k pm range is a design impossibility.In the case of a track car for example the emphases is on only the higher rpm range and for that reason a single stage intake manifold and also a conventional type cam is usually more then adequate and usually preferred.As stated earlier,its hard to offer a recommendation to someone a change to his engine with out first knowing what he wants his car to excel at.Because the vast majority of Preludes are driven only on the street and seldom on a track, my recommendations are usually biased toward street performance or what is commonly referred to as a street tune.
I knew what you meant from the original post. just wanted you to clarify. try to be as clear as possible in your posts, this way it's not misunderstood.

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I think the next valid question aside from the OP is why is this guy with all this misinformation not banned from this forum? lol Ive read numerous post of his and they all leave me looking like this LoL
actually... on forums wrong information has a way of finding right information. Also I don't like banning
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

To OP I'll take the Euro R over dual stage runner manni any day no matter what the application is for. race, street whatever, it's my personal preference. If I ever bought another prelude or h22 it's must have as far as mods go.

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Makes sense Haha thank you, and just to clarify I will not need to move things around my engine block for fit. It's bolt on correct? Reffering to the rosko mani
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Euro-r whut? Them thangs don't be werkin! You shud get some headers!





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ones for a K series n ones an h22 lmao.



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Well k2h is a kseries mani modded to be used on h22 n euro r is a stock (not USDM) mani for h22


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as far as performance the euro-r would still be better im guessing?
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Re: euro R intake manifold question(s)

for boost you want longer runners for n/a you want shorter. neither is better per say just need to know which way you want to go. even if I boost I'm still going euro-r and this is from someone who have owned both lol...
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