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Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

Like the title states, I recently discovered that my head gasket has a slight leak, causing my IAC to go crazy and idle to surge due to the loss of coolant. I recently noticed the sweet smell of coolant out the tailpipe with slight traces of white smoke.

My question is, While I have it apart and the head off, how much more should I do? I am a single father with a mortgage so I am on a pretty tight budget. I just did the 5 speed swap in June, and my car has about 216,000 miles on it. I want to make this a good reliable car to last a while longer, since I put so much work into it so far.

I am going to send the head to the machine shop, have it pressure tested and shaved, I will defiantly replace the valve seals. Do you think a complete valve job is necessary? That could cost $300 just for that.

My real question is? I know these cars are known for burning oil, and I have heard something about them using some kind of special cylinder walls, should I rip off the brand new oil pan I just bought when I did the swap and spend the extra time and pull out the pistons, and change the rings, and hone the cylinders? what are peoples suggestions? Any cretin brands recommended?
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Please don't write me telling me I should bore it out and put crazy over sized pistons or crazy stuff for racing applications. I'm on a tight budget (meaning I kinda wanna do it the cheapest I can) keeping it stock. I'm doing the labor myself in my driveway. Time is kinda a factor also I don't have much of it. I work over 50 hrs a week and have a kid.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

just change the headgasket, and change the oil, run it for about 20 miles and change it again. repeat after 100 miles. you dont want no water in the oil. if you have a set of ramps and a basic set of hand tools and a torque wrench in ft lbs you should be able to do it yourself in a few hours. get the head shaved ten thousandths to ensure no warpage. there is a brace on the back of the intake, goes from there to the block, make sure you take that off before you start or it will be a bitch and a half. disconnect the header at the bottom, take the valve cover off, remove cams, lossen headbolts. simple job. rebuild in reverse. your rings should be fine, while the head is off use a bright light to inspect the cyliner walls for scarring. if scarring is found you will need a hone and rings., if its not there you should be fine.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

^^ Thanks for the advice!
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

no problem. if you have it shaved like 20 thousandths it'll be just as good as getting type s pistons, you'll have a good power gain, but shaving your head will moved the power band up in the rpm range. Do not shave the head on your shoulders, this will not help matters at all. Just shave the cylinder head. lol. i'm drunk
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

If ur that far into the motor u might want to do rings. What machine shop are u thinking of using? Jusk asking cause im in CT as well. I doubt that ur gonna need a whole valve job. My guess is the head will have to be milled. Have u done any kind of compression test? Rings arent that expensive. Good luck!
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

With 216k, before you go pulling out pistons, "rebuilding" the head and stuff like that, it might be cheaper to source a jdm h22 and drop it in, I've seen them going for as cheap as $600 when I was looking, just something to think about with that kinda mileage.

If your going to just swap headgaskets and shave the head than that will require a few hrs and less than $200.

If you never changed your fuel filter, this would be the time since its easy access.

Don't forget that there is a black bracket that you need to take out from under the car that bolts onto the intake mani and holds it to the block.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

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With 216k, before you go pulling out pistons, "rebuilding" the head and stuff like that, it might be cheaper to source a jdm h22 and drop it in, I've seen them going for as cheap as $600 when I was looking, just something to think about with that kinda mileage.

If your going to just swap headgaskets and shave the head than that will require a few hrs and less than $200.

If you never changed your fuel filter, this would be the time since its easy access.

Don't forget that there is a black bracket that you need to take out from under the car that bolts onto the intake mani and holds it to the block.
The fuel filter thing...very good idea. I always forget to change it while i have the engine out. hard to get to with it all put together. But i dont worry cause i never know when its gonna go. I run the piss outta mine
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

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If ur that far into the motor u might want to do rings. What machine shop are u thinking of using? Jusk asking cause im in CT as well. I doubt that ur gonna need a whole valve job. My guess is the head will have to be milled. Have u done any kind of compression test? Rings arent that expensive. Good luck!
I use Thunder Performance machine shop. They are in the Milford area.

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With 216k, before you go pulling out pistons, "rebuilding" the head and stuff like that, it might be cheaper to source a jdm h22 and drop it in, I've seen them going for as cheap as $600 when I was looking, just something to think about with that kinda mileage.

If your going to just swap headgaskets and shave the head than that will require a few hrs and less than $200.

If you never changed your fuel filter, this would be the time since its easy access.

Don't forget that there is a black bracket that you need to take out from under the car that bolts onto the intake mani and holds it to the block.
Ive never seen a h22 for $600. they are always like around the $1000 range.
Anyways, I wasn't really planning on doing a motor swap because of a head gasket. My motor is pretty strong, dosn't smoke or burn too much excessive oil. (but it does burn some)

To send the head out, have it cleaned and pressure tested, shaved and valve seals that will cost over $200 alone. 5 years ago it would have been a buck fifty, the price of everything has skyrocketed lately. Then I would have to still have to buy the head gasket set. another $80-150.
Thanks for the advice of the fuel filter.
And I know all about the black bracket on the back of the head, thanks for the heads up.
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I use Thunder Performance machine shop. They are in the Milford area.



Ive never seen a h22 for $600. they are always like around the $1000 range.
Anyways, I wasn't really planning on doing a motor swap because of a head gasket. My motor is pretty strong, dosn't smoke or burn too much excessive oil. (but it does burn some)

To send the head out, have it cleaned and pressure tested, shaved and valve seals that will cost over $200 alone. 5 years ago it would have been a buck fifty, the price of everything has skyrocketed lately. Then I would have to still have to buy the head gasket set. another $80-150.
Thanks for the advice of the fuel filter.
And I know all about the black bracket on the back of the head, thanks for the heads up.
The machine shop i used done that for like 40 bux.cleaned and pressure tested, shaved, but no valve seals.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

in order to even get to the rings, you gotta drop the oil pan, cradle, crank/rods/pistons, and if your taking all that out anyway, you would be stupid NOT to do the rings, bearings, seals, which isn't gonna be too easy with the block still in the car, so you'd need to pull out the block.


replacing the HG simply requires pulling the head off.
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in order to even get to the rings, you gotta drop the oil pan, cradle, crank/rods/pistons, and if your taking all that out anyway, you would be stupid NOT to do the rings, bearings, seals, which isn't gonna be too easy with the block still in the car, so you'd need to pull out the block.


replacing the HG simply requires pulling the head off.
What he said. Looks like it all depends on how much work you feel like doing. If you do pull the engine and do all that you may as well do a good n/a build. Advice, if you pull the engine take the transmission out with it, all at once, tons easier than pulling one or the other.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

Ok, well I pulled the head off yesterday and to my surprise, The cylinder walls look like BRAND NEW. I am not going to change the rings after all. I was never planing on pulling the block or tranny out of the car. I was just pulling the head off. I thought you could remove the pistons by dropping the pan, taking off the rod end caps, and tapping them up out the top of the block. I didn't realize the block had to be out.

Anyways, This job is still gonna cost me over $600 doing all the labor myself.
I sent the head out to a Very well know machinist, he does race cars and everything has a very good reputation and I know I will have nothing to worry about and it will be done right.
His name is Rob, owner of Thunder Performance in Milford, CT. I recommend him to anybody if you are in the CT area.
He wanted $140 for a complete cleaning- (thing comes out looking brand new), pressure test, and resurface, with new valve seals installed. Then for almost another $200 more, I get a complete valve job, he cleans them to like brand new and re laps all 16 valves and sealing surfaces.
So the machine work is gonna run roughly $400, The head set from Honda cost $200- and it does NOT even come with new valve seals! What kind of BS is that! All the aftermarket sets come with them included. Good thing Rob at the machine shop Stocks like 100 different makes and models valve seals so I didn't need them anyway... but still.
And I did buy a new fuel filter today for $26. I see how it could be a MF'er if you had to change it with the head and intake on.



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wow that looks mint in there! Do ur head gasket and ur machine work put it together and enjoy that! And whatever odds and end u do as well! Nice job!
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I thought you could remove the pistons by dropping the pan, taking off the rod end caps, and tapping them up out the top of the block. I didn't realize the block had to be out.

If you really wanted to, you COULD do this approach, but if you're taking the pistons/rods out, you would be stupid to put the old rod bearings back in.
And if you're replacing the rod bearings, might as well do the main bearings as well, neither of which is going to be easy with the block still in the car.



That's funny, I'm also looking at another machine shop in Norwalk called "The Shop" to do the machining on a spare STi block that I'm gonna build myself. I guess I could also look into Thunder Perf as well
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yeah, i got pistons out that way plenty of times, but its a bitch working aroung the girdle.
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If your motor mounts are bad, nows the time to change them also. And remember when putting back on the head to torque the headstuds in order as per the manual.
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If you really wanted to, you COULD do this approach, but if you're taking the pistons/rods out, you would be stupid to put the old rod bearings back in.
And if you're replacing the rod bearings, might as well do the main bearings as well, neither of which is going to be easy with the block still in the car.



That's funny, I'm also looking at another machine shop in Norwalk called "The Shop" to do the machining on a spare STi block that I'm gonna build myself. I guess I could also look into Thunder Perf as well


Yeah I see what you mean, I'm going to leave the pistons right where they are for now.

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If your motor mounts are bad, nows the time to change them also. And remember when putting back on the head to torque the headstuds in order as per the manual.
My mounts are fine, I changed the fuel filter just cause...it was there, and has never been changed. (just hope it doesn't leak once everything is back together. )
I know all about the head bolt torquing sequence, my question is.... Is it necessary to replace the head bolts? One place I went to to just price out some parts said there computer said it was recommended that they be replaced if the head comes off.
I know some makes and models DO recommend (or insist) that the head bolts Must be replaced because they stretch or whatever. But it this true for Hondas?


One more thing, a little off topic, Does anyone know where to get one of those auto to manual timing belt tensioners? The Honda dealer doesn't know anything about it. They only sell the hydraulic ones. How important is it that it be done? The car has already gone over 200k with a hydraulic one, know what I'm saying....
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

yeah u need new head bolts or arp head studs. I'm pretty sure the factory ones were stretch to yield. Not 100 percent on that fact but i had a tech at the dealer tell me replace them. I use arp cause u can reuse them and they are a great product.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

That kinda sucks, cause I was planning on reusing the old ones. Just more money I have to spend. Does anyone else know, does Honda recommend replacing them? What does the Helms manual say? I don't have one.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

Yes it is HIGHLY recommended that you get new (at least OEM) head studs. Since they do in fact get stretched when they're torqued down, then if you were to take them out, reuse them, and torque them down AGAIN when they're already stretched..... I wouldn't wanna risk snapping a head stud and attempting to get it out.
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Re: Blown head gasket- should I replace rings while its apart?

^^yeah true thanks, I'm gonna order up some new head bolts.

Well, I got my head back, and I am very pleased with the way it came out. I looks brand new! I ended up getting it cleaned, shaved, pressure tested, valve seals replaced, and since I didn't have time to do it myself, I had him do a complete valve job and resurfaced the valve seats. This is what almost $400 gets you.






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