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Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Hi guys.

First off I'm new to the forums, the names Aidan. I just recently bought my prelude and I love it. I have a milano red 98' base prelude 5-spd, all stock besides a CAI and some rims.

The car has been running great and I havent encountered any problems yet. BUT, just recently my dash lights and my tail lights decided to stop working. I checked the fuses and they were fine, but I went ahead and replaced them anyway and the lights still didnt work. Could there be a short somewhere? And where should I look? Im no mechanic lol. Thanks.
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

you'll need to trace some wires. it's possible you got a short. usually shorts are what causes fuses to pop. did you check both fuse boxes??? if i remember correctly, the fuse i ended up having to replace for this problem was under the hood. this has happened to me twice. and i'm not saying this is YOUR problem, but these are 2 places you can start looking. the first time i found a shorted wire in the dash. the 2nd time i found a shorted wire going to the passenger side parking light. barely an inch or 2 before the bulb socket. so something to check in the immediate region of said lights that aren't coming on is for bad wiring. if you have a multimeter, check continuity in your wires. it could also be the headlight switch.
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Yeah I've check both fuse boxes and all fuses are fine. So I'm 90% sure its just a short somewhere I have yet to locate. Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
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I'm dealing with the exact same issue. I checked both fuses and the relay. I'm thinking its the switch. I'd be able to determine if the switch is bad with the tester right?
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yep. get a multimeter and check continuity going through the switch.
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Hi guys.

First off I'm new to the forums, the names Aidan. I just recently bought my prelude and I love it. I have a milano red 98' base prelude 5-spd, all stock besides a CAI and some rims.

The car has been running great and I havent encountered any problems yet. BUT, just recently my dash lights and my tail lights decided to stop working. I checked the fuses and they were fine, but I went ahead and replaced them anyway and the lights still didnt work. Could there be a short somewhere? And where should I look? Im no mechanic lol. Thanks.
I know im late with this but as i end up with this thread, i guess this is not yet solved. Just a heads up with anyone having this issue. If the fuses all check out good, its probably your lighting switch gone bad. i had similar experience but on the same thing i replaced the switch and the lights are working fine now.
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

I think there is a short somewhere
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Hey guys, new member here (longtime lurker) - I see that this thread is still active, so I want to share my findings in hope that it will help someone out there...

Same issue with me, and i just figured out my problem. Running a 2000 Lude with all sorts of mods, but no major electrical mods as of yet.

Quick history:
My parking/tail/dash lights just sort of decided to randomly stop over the course of about a month. Sometimes they worked fine, sometimes they turned off while driving, and finally they just decided to stop turning on at all. So i'm like wtf, this is unusual.

I'm hesitant to drop it off at the dealership, being the money miser that I am, and decided to really tinker around with fuses, switches, wiring, relays - more than usual.

My "design of experiments" was as follows:
1) turn on parking light switch - note that lights do not go on
2) inspect and swap fuse #10 (15A) in under-dash fuse box - nothing (original fuse was fine, btw)
3) unless I didn't read the Prelude factory manual right, there is no parking light relay - move on.
4) light switch - turn on while gently pulling, gently pushing, gently applying lateral/axial forces while turning on/off, to see if it's a mechanical issue with switch itself...perhaps dirt/grime over the years - nothing. lights don't even flicker.
5) pull switch C980 (main light connector in under-dash fuse box), inspect connectors - nothing, connectors are perfect, not a trace of rust/crap. BUT - parking lights flicker upon re-connection of connector!

STOP THE EXPERIMENT!

So now I start gently tugging on the individual wires on the C980 connector. Nothing stands out. But when I give the whole connector a tug/push (by grabbing all the wires together), the lights turn on and off!

My next step is to dismantle the fuse box and check out the backside to try and pinpoint the nature of the poor-ass electrical connection that seems to have worked itself loose over time.

For all of you out there struggling with this issue - check out the attached picture, and give the C980 connector a good working over to see if you're also experiencing this same issue. I'll hop back on here soon after I've had a chance to take some pics and fix this issue.
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Alright folks,

I believe I have fixed the issue permanently. Summary - poor electrical connection between female-male ends of C980 connector. That's it! $0 to fix, 4 hours internet research over 3 months, 30 minutes actual investigation, 15 minutes actual fix.

Here's the detailed scoop:

The issue is the C980 connector - more specifically, the female end that you can pull out of the fuse box (which is male). Even more specifically, it has to do with the left-most wire (or wires) of the connector, when looking head on (so the upper and lower connector that are most rearward of vehicle when connected). For clarification purposes, when I'm referring to male/female, I'm talking about the actual metal conductors, NOT the plastic housing that holds the wires together.

I thought I'd do some more investigation before I start ripping stuff out. So I re-did my "wire tug" test to see if it was in fact one or two wires that were causing the lights to flicker (at this point, the Parking Light Switch was on, and I was watching my instrument cluster to see if the lights flickered or not).

Turns out that it was in fact one, maybe 2 wires that seemed to have a poor connection. I have attached my crude drawing of how I modified the female connectors to re-establish a robust, solid electrical connection between the male-female connection. Basically I took a very small precision flat-head screwdriver (the red rectangle on picture), stuck it into the female connector and twisted it so that the curved portions of the connector bent downwards and reduced the gap (shown in blue) and clinched the male end better.

I only did this to the aforementioned 2 leftward most female connectors (rearward of vehicle). The problem seems to have completely disappeared. After reconnecting the C980 connector, I really gave it a once-over, pushing and tugging on all the wires front-back, left-right, fore-aft, twisting, etc.. I even pushed/pulled the whole connector, fuse box, etc... Not a flicker. Lights stayed on solidly. Put the fuse box cover back on, kicked it a few times for good measure...nothing. Took the car for a test drive (I beat 'er up good), all seems well.

So - I would recommend that all of you with this issue to check these wires/connections carefully - give that C980 connector a good working over, and see what happens. You may have this issue as well, but perhaps on different wires...who knows!

Hope this helps!

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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Thank you Modsavant! Your a gentle man and a scholar i was having the same prob and you nailed it. Only in my diagram it's not the C980 it's the C909. Thank man you saved me.
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And thank you Amacrugby.
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I just want to thank Modsavant for posting this information that helped me fix my prelude with the dashlight/taillight problem
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Thanks a lot Modsavant! I was going insane trying to figure this issue out. I drove about 30 miles in the dark without them... Again Thanks for taking the time to diagram it all out!
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Have the same problem just happend last night i installed the amber light that goes inside the headlights and the taillights still worked but vby night time the tail lights or the dash were out and all fuses are good i shook that connection and all and not even a flicker
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Is the switch position on parking lights when the C980 plug is reconnected>? I 'm having the same problem with my 99 prelude, I have just headlights, and NO parlking lights or tail lights. Need some info on how to fix this problem with my car.
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Hey guys, new member here (longtime lurker) - I see that this thread is still active, so I want to share my findings in hope that it will help someone out there...

Same issue with me, and i just figured out my problem. Running a 2000 Lude with all sorts of mods, but no major electrical mods as of yet.

Quick history:
My parking/tail/dash lights just sort of decided to randomly stop over the course of about a month. Sometimes they worked fine, sometimes they turned off while driving, and finally they just decided to stop turning on at all. So i'm like wtf, this is unusual.

I'm hesitant to drop it off at the dealership, being the money miser that I am, and decided to really tinker around with fuses, switches, wiring, relays - more than usual.

My "design of experiments" was as follows:
1) turn on parking light switch - note that lights do not go on
2) inspect and swap fuse #10 (15A) in under-dash fuse box - nothing (original fuse was fine, btw)
3) unless I didn't read the Prelude factory manual right, there is no parking light relay - move on.
4) light switch - turn on while gently pulling, gently pushing, gently applying lateral/axial forces while turning on/off, to see if it's a mechanical issue with switch itself...perhaps dirt/grime over the years - nothing. lights don't even flicker.
5) pull switch C980 (main light connector in under-dash fuse box), inspect connectors - nothing, connectors are perfect, not a trace of rust/crap. BUT - parking lights flicker upon re-connection of connector!

STOP THE EXPERIMENT!

So now I start gently tugging on the individual wires on the C980 connector. Nothing stands out. But when I give the whole connector a tug/push (by grabbing all the wires together), the lights turn on and off!

My next step is to dismantle the fuse box and check out the backside to try and pinpoint the nature of the poor-ass electrical connection that seems to have worked itself loose over time.

For all of you out there struggling with this issue - check out the attached picture, and give the C980 connector a good working over to see if you're also experiencing this same issue. I'll hop back on here soon after I've had a chance to take some pics and fix this issue.
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Really hate to harp on such a simple solution, or sound like a broken record, but you should slowly and methodically check all your fuses under the dash. I had this problem and was pretty flustered but I went through my fuses one by one after checking them 3 times and low and behold Mr 15amp was blown.
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Thank you, Modsavant. My son called from 100 miles away and cried for help because his dash and tail lights stopped working on his '97 Prelude 4 days before Christmas. I found this thread and your explanation on the C980 connector. My luck with internet fixes is about 1 in 10 and didn't give it much chance but God bless you, man. You absolutely nailed it. Did exactly as you said and voila. I'm sure you saved us hundreds with your advice. I couldn't be more grateful and happy for your help.
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I joined this forum because my kid has a 2000 prelude and we were stumped. It happened once a year ago when his older brother owned the car. He said he wiggled some wires under dash and everything worked. Then two nights ago the dashlights and tail lights quit working again. I came on here and saw the posts by modsavant. I just went and pushed on the c980 connector on the fuse box and everything is working. At least now we know. Thanks so much modsavant for the tips. It helps a lot
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

Hey everyone im new to the forum and recently bought my second prelude. I have a 2000 bb6 and the other night my dash lifhting went out. The next day i was told my tail lights are out too. I started with the fuaes and found a blown one under the dash running off a wire rig off of the main connector. I replaced it and the lights all worked fine. But by that night all lights were out again and the fuse had blown as well as the "small lights" fuse. I have tried replacing the fuses and they now blow every time i set my lights to day running lights. I unplugged the battery and then removed the main connector to clean all the connectors.

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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

same tail light and dash light problem-again. wiggling it this time isn't working. is there a certain way to remove the c980 connector? cant seem to get it out of there
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

im having the same problems again and I know its the c980 connector. How did you remove it? its a pia. we lift up on the tab and pull, but it just seems like it doesn't want to come out of there. is there more to it? and how do we remove the whole fuse box to take a look ?
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Re: Dash Lights/Tail Lights Problem

sure enough I pushed the red and black wire(furthest one to the left in the c980 connector) and the lights came back on
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ok i'm a little confused. The C980, that is the big one onthe passenger side of the engine compartment correct? Where is the inside the car one on a 92 SI? At first glance i don't see any fuses under the dash but maybe i'm just not looking hard enough. LOL BTW, my taillights seem to be intermitten problem. For instance, they work perfect now. But other night got pulled over and they were not working which is what instigated this investigation i'm currently doing. Thanks for the help ya'll. :)
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ok i'm a little confused. The C980, that is the big one onthe passenger side of the engine compartment correct? Where is the inside the car one on a 92 SI? At first glance i don't see any fuses under the dash but maybe i'm just not looking hard enough. LOL BTW, my taillights seem to be intermitten problem. For instance, they work perfect now. But other night got pulled over and they were not working which is what instigated this investigation i'm currently doing. Thanks for the help ya'll. :)
Whiteviper1985 - the Under-dash fuse box for my 2000 Lude is on the driver's side of vehicle, right beside hood release latch. Not sure where it's located on the 92 Si, but hopefully this will guide you to the right location, assuming Honda hasn't significantly redesigned their electrical geometry.

Try testing the connections by turning on your lights and jiggling various electrical connectors, one at a time, until hopefully you see some flickering.

Be careful to minimize jiggling the entire connector box, so that you're not accidentally jiggling multiple connectors at once. Good luck man! Send some pics if you need more help.

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Oh man, I wish I had followed up on my post sooner!

All of the people who sent me a thank-you:
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2) you made my day! I've taken so much from this forum over the years...it feels great to give back.

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well just an update on my situation. Tail lights are now working just fine. Don't know how that happens but i figure it is just a matter of time before they act a fool again. I'm going to check a few things to make sure my connections are tight, but i may be looking some shop time to get this fully fixed. Thanks all.
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All Gen. Prelude Service Manuals
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Thanks. :) Hope to start on this this weekend since i get a week off work this week...
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I took out my sub and amp the other day and my tail and fog lights stop working. I checked both fuse boxs nothings blown. And the wires all have power.

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