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Hey guys, i'm running an absolute stock motor and i have some money to spend, what do you guys think would be a better first upgrade, an AEM v2 or a euro intake manifold JDM Accord Euro R Intake Manifold Prelude BB6 H22


I'm a beginner so i'm not sure if the IM is just a simple bolt on or if i need additional parts....please enlighten me.
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I would honestly suggest maintenance if its not up to date.

But if not that, for a first mod, go with a aem cai with a bpi flowstack. After that I would go for a decent header if you have some money left over. A intake mani would be one of the last bolt ons I would do honestly. It will make good power, but ppl normally do intake, header and exhaust first. Then move onto the more involved stuff
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I would honestly suggest maintenance if its not up to date.
and after that good suspension will make more difference than intakes or some exhaust-mods
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Intake manifolds are fun to remove I just swapped my out with a skunk2 was better then expected
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Re: Euro Intake Manifold

the manifold would be nice to have, but personally i believe that if everything is stock an intake, headers, exhaust, and lowering it would come before the manifold. but thats just my prefrence.
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Hey guys, i'm running an absolute stock motor and i have some money to spend, what do you guys think would be a better first upgrade, an AEM v2 or a euro intake manifold JDM Accord Euro R Intake Manifold Prelude BB6 H22


I'm a beginner so i'm not sure if the IM is just a simple bolt on or if i need additional parts....please enlighten me.
Short answer: If your you drive on a track and your not interested in how your engine performs below 5k rpm, either of those enhancements you describe will to a certain extent improve your high rpm power output but in my opinion not to sufficient extent to justify dong it because your stock configuration is so good.

Long answer: Before you replace your stock intake and intake runner with the two devices you are considering , please take a look at what your giving up in the process.I will break this discussion into two parts described by air velocity and pulse tunning.

1 Air velocity enhancement:
Both your stock air intake and stock intake manifold each have a valve in the air path that enables them to create a condition where they can act to speed up the air velocity running through them at low and mid rpms which is good for performance when running at these rpms.While at the same time, they are able to switch over to a low air restriction configuration at high rpms when the air velocity is high and when air speed up techniques along the air path are not necessary and just acts as a power robbing nuisance to the engine. Both the intake and intake manifold your considering are conventional 1 stage devices that do nothing to help speed up the air flow at low and mid rpms and just merely gives the engine a somewhat lower restrictive path at high rpms resulting in a minor improvement in top end power.

2: Air pulse tunning and your intake runners :
First of all just like your car, air has mass and interia and will continue to move down a pipe even when something is not pushing it.When your intake valve slams shut, the air moving down the intake runner bounces off the back of the valve and heads back to the opening of the intake runner.The open entrance of the intake runner pipe acts like a mirror to the air and turns it around and sends it back to the intake valve. If your intake runner is close to the correct length for the rpms you are operating at and the cam shaft you are using , the reflected air pulse will make it back to the intake valve right when its time for it to open again.In a process called interia supercharging you get at that time two sources of air being pushed into the cylinder. The new air from the air intake plus the air that was reflected from the hole at the input of the intake runner.If the intake runner is the wrong length for the range of rpms that you are running at and the cam you are using,the reflected air will arrive at some time other then the opening of the air intake valve and cause power robbing mayhem.The stock intake runner has two air paths of different lengths.The ecu chooses the path that has the best length for the rpm range you are operating at. The intake manifold your considering installing is a one track ,high rpm enhanced design that does not give the engines ecu the flexibility that the 2 track stock one gives it resulting in less then ideal operation at low and mid rpms and its effect might not work in sync with your stock cam shaft.

So in conclusion if you drive your car on a track and are not concerned with low and mid rpm power and fuel economy then go ahead an change your stock intake and intake manifold if it makes you happy but when driving on the street within in the city limits, don't be surprised if one day you get played by your parents in their torquey, V6 powered, Honda Minivan just like the guys that were driving in the S2000's before Honda wisely gave up some top end power for more low /mid rpm punch on the later versions of that car. .

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Re: Euro Intake Manifold

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I would honestly suggest maintenance if its not up to date.

But if not that, for a first mod, go with a aem cai with a bpi flowstack. After that I would go for a decent header if you have some money left over. A intake mani would be one of the last bolt ons I would do honestly. It will make good power, but ppl normally do intake, header and exhaust first. Then move onto the more involved stuff
Thanks for the reply man so I was thinking of the aem v2 or a type s air intake do i still need that bpi flowstack?...I'm not sure what a bpi flowstack is to be honest
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Re: Euro Intake Manifold

Also i was going to buy the hytech replica header but do you think I should wait to by a catback and a high flow cat first and install all together or should I get the catback first before header and install that right away?...also I can't find any 2.5 inch catbacks anywhere...any suggestions?
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If your really looking for every bit of power you possibly can outta your car, then a aem cai with the bpi flowstack is your best bet. If you just want a tiny bit more power tho, the aem v2 and type s intake will be fine.

Here is a link for a bpi flowstack. BPi - Performance Velocity Stack
You will have to get a different filter since the filter that will come with your intake wont fit it. But like I said, if you arent really really worried about making every bit of power you can, the type s and v2 will be fine.

Hytech replica is a good header. And most catbacks you see are 2.5". Or you can go to kteller.com and buy just the 2.5" piping and combine it with whatever cat/muffler you want. And again if you worried about making all the power you can, 3" exhaust will yield the most gains.
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Also i was going to buy the hytech replica header but do you think I should wait to by a catback and a high flow cat first and install all together or should I get the catback first before header and install that right away?...also I can't find any 2.5 inch catbacks anywhere...any suggestions?
60mm cat-back will fill your needs, I have skunk2 and I like it.

and why you wanna racing header? do you NEED one?
no-one has ever talked about how it performs when you use your car daily. Of course it will help @ high rpms, but how about low....

and if you start modding try to get everything at once, in that way you dont have to tune your car/engine that many times (you know, mods confuse your stock ecu and your whole engine doesnt work properly)

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60mm cat-back will fill your needs, I have skunk2 and I like it.

and why you wanna racing header? do you NEED one?
no-one has ever talked about how it performs when you use your car daily. Of course it will help @ high rpms, but how about low....

i havent been on here in a bit because everyone is damn stupid. EVERYONE talks about how good this header is daily driven. it increases hp and torque across ALL rpms untuned, do you understand that?
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Re: Euro Intake Manifold

Well since he already brought it up, from what I've seem the Hytech replica is the best for the price right?
and the euro intake manifold is a good buy but i'd suggest getting the v2 or aem cai with bpi flowstack like blackbb6 said
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Short answer: If your you drive on a track and your not interested in how your engine performs below 5k rpm, either of those enhancements you describe will to a certain extent improve your high rpm power output but in my opinion not to sufficient extent to justify dong it because your stock configuration is so good.

Long answer: Before you replace your stock intake and intake runner with the two devices you are considering , please take a look at what your giving up in the process.I will break this discussion into two parts described by air velocity and pulse tunning.

1 Air velocity enhancement:
Both your stock air intake and stock intake manifold each have a valve in the air path that enables them to create a condition where they can act to speed up the air velocity running through them at low and mid rpms which is good for performance when running at these rpms.While at the same time, they are able to switch over to a low air restriction configuration at high rpms when the air velocity is high and when air speed up techniques along the air path are not necessary and just acts as a power robbing nuisance to the engine. Both the intake and intake manifold your considering are conventional 1 stage devices that do nothing to help speed up the air flow at low and mid rpms and just merely gives the engine a somewhat lower restrictive path at high rpms resulting in a minor improvement in top end power.

2: Air pulse tunning and your intake runners :
First of all just like your car, air has mass and interia and will continue to move down a pipe even when something is not pushing it.When your intake valve slams shut, the air moving down the intake runner bounces off the back of the valve and heads back to the opening of the intake runner.The open entrance of the intake runner pipe acts like a mirror to the air and turns it around and sends it back to the intake valve. If your intake runner is close to the correct length for the rpms you are operating at and the cam shaft you are using , the reflected air pulse will make it back to the intake valve right when its time for it to open again.In a process called interia supercharging you get at that time two sources of air being pushed into the cylinder. The new air from the air intake plus the air that was reflected from the hole at the input of the intake runner.If the intake runner is the wrong length for the range of rpms that you are running at and the cam you are using,the reflected air will arrive at some time other then the opening of the air intake valve and cause power robbing mayhem.The stock intake runner has two air paths of different lengths.The ecu chooses the path that has the best length for the rpm range you are operating at. The intake manifold your considering installing is a one track ,high rpm enhanced design that does not give the engines ecu the flexibility that the 2 track stock one gives it resulting in less then ideal operation at low and mid rpms and its effect might not work in sync with your stock cam shaft.

So in conclusion if you drive your car on a track and are not concerned with low and mid rpm power and fuel economy then go ahead an change your stock intake and intake manifold if it makes you happy but when driving on the street within in the city limits, don't be surprised if one day you get played by your parents in their torquey, V6 powered, Honda Minivan just like the guys that were driving in the S2000's before Honda wisely gave up some top end power for more low /mid rpm punch on the later versions of that car. .
Ive never heard of this "air pulse tuning" maybe i don't read enough.. who knows...
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Ive never heard of this "air pulse tuning" maybe i don't read enough.. who knows...
Air pulse tunning is a phrase I personally made up that to me fits what I was trying to describe.
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[QUOTE=98vtec;549024] but i didnt read what you said.


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i havent been on here in a bit because everyone is damn stupid. EVERYONE talks about how good this header is daily driven. it increases hp and torque across ALL rpms untuned, do you understand that?
yeah, everybody talks about gains & power.. of course it brings them @ high rpms but like I said, I havent read anything about daily driving since now you said that. do you understand that?
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