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Okay i did a quick search and didnt find anything i just want this answered real quick.. what are the performance benifits of getting 2.5, or 3 inch custom piping with a 3 inch vibrant muffler. Im going to have an intake also.
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2inch whould be fine you want to keep a litle back pressure . you would only want 3 inch if you where pushing mad boost
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Damn do some research before you go telling people 3" is only for "mad boost". 2" is stock man, H22's have been dyno proven to gain MORE power from 3" for NA settle. Backpressure is a joke for these engines. Maybe if you had a B16, then yeah 3" would be overkill for a NA setup. But, being we have a 2.2 liter engine, they like to breathe.

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I wanted to rock 3 inch piping with the stock muffler painted flat black
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Damn do some research before you go telling people 3" is only for "mad boost". 2" is stock man, H22's have been dyno proven to gain MORE power from 3" for NA settle. Backpressure is a joke for these engines. Maybe if you had a B16, then yeah 3" would be overkill for a NA setup. But, being we have a 2.2 liter engine, they like to breathe.

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i realize i didnt search enough i just want this answered quick.
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Okay i did a quick search and didnt find anything i just want this answered real quick.. what are the performance benefits of getting 2.5, or 3 inch custom piping with a 3 inch vibrant muffler. Im going to have an intake also.
Unless this exhaust mod is part one of a series of significant mods that go beyond simple bolt ons that justify a larger exhaust,I would just stick with the stock set up which is set up to give a good balance of low and high rpm power.

Check out the quote below to see what happens when someone gives up to much back pressure for the way his car was at the time configured.You don't want to go there.
You see back pressure is the price one pays for increased gas velocity through the exhaust pipeing which is just what the header and engine prefers at low and mid rpms the way I understand it.

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I went down to an exhaust shop and had a custom built exhaust installed. he replaced the catalytic converter with a 15" glasspack, upgraded piping to 2.25" and put on a straight magnaflow muffler. I lost a considerable amount of power and now it's just really loud and slow.
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Significant mods such as what? I/E/H are all bolt ons that can benefit your cars performance as well as gas mileage. 3" is PROVEN to make more power with minimal work. Your point is unnecessary and wrong. Backpressure is a myth with our engines and your quoted post is a joke, much like you are.
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^hahaha.... shdriver..Dude you need more quotes in your sig!


Yeah this has been covered a million times... Do more research on 3" exhaust on the H22 and also about headers & exhaust combos and dyno..
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Unless this exhaust mod is part one of a series of significant mods that go beyond simple bolt ons that justify a larger exhaust,I would just stick with the stock set up which is set up to give a good balance of low and high rpm power.

Check out the quote below to see what happens when someone gives up to much back pressure for the way his car was at the time configured.You don't want to go there.
You see back pressure is the price one pays for increased gas velocity through the exhaust pipeing which is just what the header and engine prefers at low and mid rpms the way I understand it.
you understand completely wrong. there are literally SO MANY dyno graphs out there with stock h22's with just i/h/e and and UNTUNED 3" exhaust outperforms a 2.5" TUNED exhaust every time. get your f*cking facts straight before you spew out useless bits of garbage
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I've been posting on this site n others for some time now on this issue. Heres my dyno's (I made more tq in a later pull they just didnt gimme that dyno bc the shop didnt wanna send me all 20 pulls lol)

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lol with all the above said. the 3" piping and vibrant muffler WILL increase performance? thanks guys btw i love big legs ahahha yu funny homeboy
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. the 3" piping and vibrant muffler WILL increase performance?
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I thought the stock exhaust is 2.25". Hm.
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Im pretty sure it's 2 inch. Cause I do know that the Flowmaster Series 60 I've got is 2.25, and it was bigger than the stock outlets.
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One difference I notice between those who try to improve their engines performance by using turbos and those who improve using breathing and other normally aspirated type engine improvements is that the people who work with turbos seem to spend more time thinking about the trade offs there sometimes having to make between power vs throttle response (turbo lag). Some even try to obtain both by installing a small turbo for throttle response and a large one for power.Their are some exotic normally aspirated cars that try to have it both ways through the use of a controlling valve in the exhaust path. Installing a larger exhaust 5th gen Prelude may gain you a few steady state hp at lets say 4500 rpm for example as measured by your dyno but on the street as you exit the corner at the same 4500 rpm and see my car fade into the distance you will then realize that the exhaust velocity enhancing effect that the back pressure caused by the smaller exhaust at mid rpms is something you can ignore at your peril.Their are a lot of write ups going back to the 2nd gen Prelude about how Honda, through clever engineering, has been able to get more performance out of their engine by using parts and techniques to speed up the air flow and improve the mixing of fuel as it runs through their engine and that will probably be the subject of my next rep worthy thread.

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One difference I notice between those who try to improve their engines performance by using turbos and those who improve using breathing and other normally aspirated type engine improvements is that the people who work with turbos seem to spend more time thinking about the trade offs there sometimes having to make between power vs throttle response (turbo lag). Some even try to obtain both by installing a small turbo for throttle response and a large one for power.Their are some exotic normally aspirated cars that try to have it both ways through the use of a controlling valve in the exhaust path. Installing a larger exhaust 5th gen Prelude may gain you a few steady state hp at lets say 4500 rpm for example as measured by your dyno but on the street as you exit the corner at the same 4500 rpm and see my car fade into the distance you will then realize that the exhaust velocity enhancing effect that the back pressure caused by the smaller exhaust at mid rpms is something you can ignore at your peril.Their are a lot of write ups going back to the 2nd gen Prelude about how Honda, through clever
engineering, has been able to get more performance out of their engine by using parts and techniques to speed up the air flow and improve the mixing of fuel as it runs through their engine and that will probably be the subject of my next rep worthy thread.

1st things first. Why do you feel the need to write up an article everytime you post. I know I've written a couple, maybe even more... But everytime I see you post... It's at least 3/4 of that length. Second, why do you feel the need to all the time? If you want a picture of your lude on every post you make, put one in your sig. Otherwise, it's spamming people's threads because he didn't ask for it and neither is it relevant to the topic. Oh, and one more thing... I thought you were all about keeping it stock, so how would you know a thing about Turbo's?
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dude you really, really, really have to stop talking out of your ass. for example, people with twin turbos usually drop one and put one big ass turbo instead. know why? becuase boost lag doesnt matter when youre making that much more power. its all how you tune it too
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