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Tein basic or Function form ?

So I have actually narrowed it down to Tein Basic or Function Form coilovers?

If you have ridden both, tell me which feels more stiff and better overall?

I need a stiff suspension so my tires wouldn't rub the fender liners that much.
Also, can I use my current top hat to mount the Tein basics onto?
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

Tein, as always
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Tein, as always
you like tein better. But can you tell us why? I'm also considering function form pretty soon and would love to know your opinion! :]
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

well tein is a very reputable brand and they have a history of producing quality parts. Some things to point out about the f&f's though they're about 200-300$ cheaper than tein basics, and they come with top hats (meaning it is one unit that is replaced and does not reuse stock components)
f&fs are 1 on my list for when i get around to dropping my lude
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

If you have the money get the Tein's

They are both good.. I plan on getting the F&f 2's when I get new wheels
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

does f&f type 1 fit 5th gen prelude?
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

yes they make a type 1 that fits preludes....the type 2s have more dampening adjustments available and i have heard they are quite a bit stiffer than the type 1's
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

i see,do i need camper kit for this coil?
im new to be call dropping the car lol
any help would be great
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

depends how low you want to go!
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

I have F&F Type-1 coilovers on my 4th gen. They're nice. The ride is pretty civilized for a coilover. Yes, they're considerably stiffer than stock. Would I say they're stiff though? Not really. For all practical purposes, they're more than enough for aggressive driving or occasional autocross. My only complaint is that the springs in the rear are too soft. If I had to do it again, I would have asked if they could put heavier springs in the rear, but that's just me.

Don't get me wrong, I think they're fantastic.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

mine is still stock heigh,but im planning to drop it where the tire meet fender or tuck in a little.currently sit on 07 si wheels with 215/45
here is how it looks
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idk how low coulc f&f go,i just want it to tuck in a lil before installing my lip kit

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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

yes if you want to tuck the tire or make it flush your looking at a 2 to 2.75 inch drop....you will need camber kits if you want to save your tires
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

Mine tucks tread up front, and a little of the sidewall in the rear. The fronts are as low as you can go (without swapping to the stock tophats), and the rears have at least another 1.5" that they can go down.

My camber is at like -2.4 degrees. Tire wear hasn't really increased. However, you'll want to get your toe fixed after dropping that low. Mine was way out for about two weeks and it chewed up the insides pretty quick. Since I got that fixed, they've been wearing normally.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

Tein use's very soft springs... (i can compress the rear slightly with my hands)

Anyone else notice how TEIN reccomends a rebuild after "X" amount of miles? You're better off buying a new set once you reach that point.

And their customer service (if/when something goes wrong) isn't that great.... go ahead, ask me how I know...

For the money, go F&F. You could end up spending 3x that amount in TEIN's. If you were planning basics, you'd be better off going super street or flex instead - because you WILL want to upgrade since the basics reuse stock tophats and if intending to go lower won't cut it.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

to be honest,i know nothing about camber and toe setting if i decide to drop my lude.
some said i need an alignment after lowering the car,and if i want to save my tire i better get camber.but some said i dont have to if i plan to drop it around 1/2 inch........
any suggestion?
i blew my set of tociko and tein(cuz my idiot sis drove it while i was gone)
so i definitely go with coilover since i can adjust it
biggest question:
how does camber and toe work?
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

Caster, Camber, Toe

When you lower the car, your negative camber will increase, meaning the tops of the tires will lean inward, putting more stress on the inside edges of your contact patch. On Preludes, it will also cause negative toe as well, which means the fronts of the tires will angle inward like pointing at one another. This causes the forward movement of the tire to be less like rolling straight, and more like scrubbing the tire across the pavement. This is what REALLY destroys tires quickly.

I don't have a camber kit. They're expensive and quite frankly, the little bit of extra negative camber won't have such a great effect on tire wear as most people would like you to think. It's the negative toe that destroys tires quickly.
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F both of them

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At more than double the cost, I'll pass. He doesn't know much about camber, caster, toe, etc.... I'm pretty sure he's not building a race car.
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At more than double the cost, I'll pass. He doesn't know much about camber, caster, toe, etc.... I'm pretty sure he's not building a race car.
atleast here teins are more expensive than BC's..
dont know about the basic, Ive always compared prices to tein ss, but even if you have to spend little bit more money
its better to get BC V1 (their cheapest model) than some tein or something else

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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

My car is lowered 1.5" - I have 0 camber in the front and -1 in the rear on rims/tires near stock spec.

So you could use that for a reference that if you only go 1"-1.5" lower, that's all you should be experiencing - but no way to say that will be the exact case for your specific car/setup.

Toe is the angle the wheels are (left to right) aka toe in toe out.


camber and toe simply put:

From a top point of view looking down on your car...
Toe in on each side would be like / \ toe out on each side would be \ / Ideal toe (for normal driving) on each side | |

Camber is the angle of the tire, so if you are looking at your wheels from say your bumper level (back of the car or front of the car just you sitting on the ground)

Negative camber your tires would look like / \ on each side
Positive camber your tires would look opposite, so like \ / on each side
Again where ideal for normal driving conditions is | |



Usually you'll see more negative camber on your rear tires when you have alot of weight in the back. Or in this case lowered.


Always get an alignment after changing the ride height of a vehicle.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

yes im not building a race car,planning to keep it as stock as possiple.
simply for DD.but want it low

anyways thanks for the advice
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

I DD my 4th gen, if I didn't mention it before. I also have to cross over dilapidated train tracks 10 times a day. Three on the way in to work, three on my way out, and four when I leave for lunch and come back. They're still holding up.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

To be honest, I don't think it's a fair comparison. The Tein Basics aren't anywhere near as adjustable as the F&Fs, which are IMO a far superior product that you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for because the company doesn't have heritage. Kinda like comparing a Nissan GTR to a Porsche 911.

As for ride quality, that's completely separate. Remember that an OEM S2000 is too stiff and jittery for most people to put up with on a daily basis, yet there are others who are quite happy to feel every bump and cigarette paper they drive over through their lower spinal column and buttocks.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

I have tein on my car now and am upgrading to FnF in the spring, stiffer spring rates, full shock travel and you can go lower.. Idk I had the Teins all last summer and they just aren't stiff enough for me. Good quality coilover though.. Just not fitting my specifications.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

I am currently running Function & Form Type 2 coilovers and iv had no problems yet. they were easy to install (as most are) but the only bad thing was 1 of the adjustment knobs were broken. They ride clean & flush tho, i have them at 25 out of 32 so its defiantly stiff. Here's a pic of mine, i have lowered it a little more since the picture but dont have any recent pics. Its not the best angle but the tires defiantly do tuck under the fenders.



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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

I thought the lower the damper setting, the stiffer it got... That's how Tein is.
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I thought the lower the damper setting, the stiffer it got... That's how Tein is.

This is true. There is a noticeable difference with dampening adjustable coilovers. I ride with my TEIN's on the softest setting typically - and turn it down when I go on my back road joy rides.


But from my understandings (someone correct me if i'm wrong) overall the spring rates are very soft. So basically they work harder since the springs are always compressing and decompressing vs other coilovers where the spring rates are stiffer and the dampers don't move as much resulting in a stiffer ride.


And TEIN basic's are not damper adjustable. Only Super Street and Flex are.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

The springs on the F&F coilovers are soft. No, the dampers aren't working harder, it's actually the opposite. Because there is less spring force, the damper has to create less resistance to counter the motion of the spring. In coilovers with heavy spring rates, the damper must work a lot harder to minimize movement from the spring. In coilovers whose dampers are weaker than the spring, you get a lot of bouncing because the damper can't compensate and counteract the spring's force.

Imagine a car with blown struts. The damper is doing nothing, so the car just bounces. The spring didn't get softer or harder, just the damping force got weaker.
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Re: Tein basic or Function form ?

Which is why I thought the softer springs meant the dampers are working harder to compensate for the soft spring rate and less for the stiffer springs since there is less play in the stiffer springs.


eh if i'm wrong on that i'm wrong, it's a topic i could use a little refresher in myself tbh
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