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Car shakes aggressively on highway

My car shakes aggressively on the highway. When I drive slow I hear a sort of clicking on the front passenger side. I got out and touched my rim and its burning hot on that side only and I have an insane load of brake dust on that rim.

My guess is the brake caliper is seized (as this happened on my friends BMW X5) but generally do I have to replace both rotors and pads? I believe I can get the caliper rebuilt.
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Re: Car shakes aggressively on highway

dude that's just the VTEC dance!
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Re: Car shakes aggressively on highway

Your rotor is probably warped as sht.


You'll be lucky if you don't have to replace the caliper too, don't let your brake maintenance go so long next time.
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Re: Car shakes aggressively on highway

lol. yeah if it's pretty aggressive you should replace the rotor too. or you could shave it down. but they are more prone to warping when they're shaved down. IMO, if you're replacing or shaving one, might as well do all 4. if you can rebuild the caliper cool. but you can buy a rebuilt caliper for pretty cheap too. and you get some money back when you return the old one. but what ever you want to do.
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Your rotor is probably warped as sht.


You'll be lucky if you don't have to replace the caliper too, don't let your brake maintenance go so long next time.
both fronts and rear brakes were replaced in october... its less then a year old...
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Re: Car shakes aggressively on highway

So?

Causes of a warped rotor:

Improper lug nut torque (I listed this first for a reason)
Hard braking
Improper caliper bolt torque
Seized caliper (Either slide bolt or piston)
No pad material left (metal on metal contact)

Those are just some of the most common. It's a car dude, they break. Often.
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Someone show me the vtec dance!
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Someone show me the vtec dance!
use an air gun to tighten your lugs. you'll be vtec'ing at 20mph.
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So?

Causes of a warped rotor:

Improper lug nut torque (I listed this first for a reason)
Hard braking
Improper caliper bolt torque
Seized caliper (Either slide bolt or piston)
No pad material left (metal on metal contact)

Those are just some of the most common. It's a car dude, they break. Often.
Well that would make sense. One of the idiot garages used an air gun to tighten my wheel. Was told calipers can be rebuilt. I'll probably have to replace both front rotors and pads. My rear I'll get it looked at but but I'd rather not replace those two...
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Well that would make sense. One of the idiot garages used an air gun to tighten my wheel. Was told calipers can be rebuilt. I'll probably have to replace both front rotors and pads. My rear I'll get it looked at but but I'd rather not replace those two...
Yup, that'd do it. Impacting your lug nuts not only over-stresses them, but its imprecise.When on lug nut is 50 ft lbs, another is 90 ft lbs, another is 65 ft lbs.... it places unequal pressure on the rotor, which can not only warp the rotor, but it can cause the tire to wobble and come loose. This is why places like Firestone have a company policy where they cannot tighten lug nuts with an impact. It's dangerous and can lead to lawsuits.


And yes, calipers can be rebuilt. It isn't altogether that hard either, hell I could probably walk you through it over the forum. You just need all the hardware to rebuild it, and after you buy the parts and take the time to rebuild them, it may be cheaper and/or easier to just replace the caliper. I dunno, you'd have to research that. I'm sure you could buy the parts you need off of Majestic.



***What I would do would be to replace the rotor and pad (you'll need both, as the old pad will prolly fck up the new rotor) and then take off ALL your wheels and re torque them. This will prevent the same thing from happening on the rest of the wheels. If all your other brakes are fine and not shaking, you can opt not to replace them. However, it is advisable (and I highly recommend it) to replace the partner rotor (the other front one) that way you have even wear and prevent brake steering pull.

I would do that BEFORE rebuilding/replacing the caliper, as you may not need to. It depends on how bad that rotor is.
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Yup, that'd do it. Impacting your lug nuts not only over-stresses them, but its imprecise.When on lug nut is 50 ft lbs, another is 90 ft lbs, another is 65 ft lbs.... it places unequal pressure on the rotor, which can not only warp the rotor, but it can cause the tire to wobble and come loose. This is why places like Firestone have a company policy where they cannot tighten lug nuts with an impact. It's dangerous and can lead to lawsuits.


And yes, calipers can be rebuilt. It isn't altogether that hard either, hell I could probably walk you through it over the forum. You just need all the hardware to rebuild it, and after you buy the parts and take the time to rebuild them, it may be cheaper and/or easier to just replace the caliper. I dunno, you'd have to research that. I'm sure you could buy the parts you need off of Majestic.



***What I would do would be to replace the rotor and pad (you'll need both, as the old pad will prolly fck up the new rotor) and then take off ALL your wheels and re torque them. This will prevent the same thing from happening on the rest of the wheels. If all your other brakes are fine and not shaking, you can opt not to replace them. However, it is advisable (and I highly recommend it) to replace the partner rotor (the other front one) that way you have even wear and prevent brake steering pull.

I would do that BEFORE rebuilding/replacing the caliper, as you may not need to. It depends on how bad that rotor is.
Well a new caliper from Majestic is $360 so I'll do the rebuild but I'm definitely going to replace both rotors and pads on driver and passenger side. I'm going to be replacing my rims anyways so they gotta go off either way.
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Re: Car shakes aggressively on highway

New caliper from autozone is $80-120. Just sayin'

Check and see how much the individual hardware is. Some of the things you'll need are:

New shims
New slide bolts
New piston seal
Possibly a new piston

and prolly some sandpaper and brake lube, maybe some other hardware I'm forgetting
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Oh... Lol I'll leave it up to my mechanic.
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sounds like ur caliper is seized.. i just had the same problem and it's $70 plus a core exchange at autozone.. paint it before u put it on cuz mine looks rusted after a week
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yeah a friend of mine accord did the same thing her brakes was to the metal which cause the calipers to seize. I would just get one from autozone to replaced the old one, not a bad price...
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Calipers seizing can be fixed by replacing your caliper slide bolts. $5 a bolt. And calipers don't really seize, they hang up.



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you sure about that havik? the bolts just mount the caliper to the caliper slides. the caliper slides can get stuck yeah. but that's very unlikely. more likely if you tear the boots. but you can easily check that when you have the caliper off. if you pull the slides out to extend the boot, if it doesn't return on its own or even with the slightest of assistance, you should definitely replace them.

yes calipers can seize. the back ones (screw type) are more prone to it. i managed to tear the seal/boot around the piston one time trying to screw the piston back in. all that did was open it up to collecting brake dust and road grime causing it to get stuck or more or less seized several months down the road.. it wasn't completely seized yes, it just took a LOT of extra force to get the piston to retract. so much so i just bought another one.
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So what you're saying is...the piston was hanging up? Just pop out the piston, clean, replace square cut seal and dust seal, reassemble. And the caliper slides probably won't retract on their own when you pull them enough to fully extend the boot and retract. They have no mechanism to return them. That is controlled by the piston. Should they move freely and smoothly? Yes.

Seizing is what I'm defining as two metal parts getting so hot that for all intents and purposes they weld themselves together, and stop rotating/moving completely. On a sliding caliper such as the design on the prelude, this would be rather hard to do. On a floating caliper it may be more feasible.
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So what you're saying is...the piston was hanging up? Just pop out the piston, clean, replace square cut seal and dust seal, reassemble. And the caliper slides probably won't retract on their own when you pull them enough to fully extend the boot and retract. They have no mechanism to return them. That is controlled by the piston. Should they move freely and smoothly? Yes.

Seizing is what I'm defining as two metal parts getting so hot that for all intents and purposes they weld themselves together, and stop rotating/moving completely. On a sliding caliper such as the design on the prelude, this would be rather hard to do. On a floating caliper it may be more feasible.
yes that's exactly what i was saying. however i'm not going to go through all that to have a working caliper when i can just replace it in half the time. my caliper slides return on their own. the boot is the mechanism. it's a piece of formed rubber. it will always try to retain its formed shape. are they going to be able to move a heavy caliper. no... but if they can't return on their own or even with the slightest of assistance, you know it could be the beginning of some problems. yes they should move freely at least.

the way you describe seizing is one way. seizing can happen due to pressures, frictions or extreme temperatures like in your scenario. in my scenario so much dirt and grime got in there to increase the FRICTION so much that it wouldn't hardly move. seized? not necessarily because it would still move... in the other direction... hanging up? i think it was well past that. it was to the point i couldn't move it anymore with the help of a vice and a friend and some power tools.
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Well this has come down to semantics and technicalities, but yes I get what you're saying and you make good points.


I just wanted to point out:

1. Replacing his caliper in this case may be wholly unnecessary and
2. Rebuilding a caliper is not hard at all. The only difference in the length of time the procedure takes is the difference in time between going to autozone and picking up a caliper compared to ordering the parts off of Majestic and waiting for them to arrive by mail.
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New caliper from autozone is $80-120. Just sayin'

Check and see how much the individual hardware is. Some of the things you'll need are:

New shims
New slide bolts
New piston seal
Possibly a new piston

and prolly some sandpaper and brake lube, maybe some other hardware I'm forgetting
if you have an O'Reilly(or kragen ) around, caliper is only 43.99 with the exchange of the core.
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I bought rebuilt calipers and they were $120 done and installed minus however much my olds one will be to return.
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Right on. You got new rotors and pads right?
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They're being installed tomorrow but yes. Lol
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